A discussion on calling standards

[Scuba Chuck]

As usual, this can be answered with math (and subsequently through $EV analysis). Furthermore, once you consider that he has 5 BBs preflop, and that he is the short stack, you'll realize his range here is enormous. I am absolutely certain JJ will fair very well here against his range. In fact, I think it correct for him to be pushing top 50% of hands at least. I would think that the 4th best starting hand would fair well against that range.

[GtrHtr]

Ok, so I picked a poor hand to post for this "discussion."

I am really curious what your calling ranges are in this situation.

I think this is where SNG Powertools comes in handy.

If he pushes: 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2s+,Q6o+,J7s+,J9o+,T8s+,98s (pretty wide range, but not unrealistic), you can call: 44+,A7o+,A2s+,KTo+,K9s+ (19%).

If he pushes: 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs you can call: 66+,AT+ (9%). I doubt he'll be much tighter, and if he is you can only call with premium hands.

So, it depends on your read.

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Ok, so I picked a poor hand to post for this "discussion."

I am really curious what your calling ranges are in this situation.

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My calling range here would be:

Any pocker pair from 77.
A9+. 8 would be read dependant and 7- would be a toss.
K10+. 9 would be an easy toss.
Any broadway

Too tight/loose?

Oh and about the actual hand, I would insta call putting villain on:

22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,A2o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo. Now, that is a pretty tight range though and he can very well have an even worse hand. But against these hands:

563,348,016 games 1.218 secs 462,518,896 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 67.3191 % 66.91% 00.41% { JcJd }
Hand 2: 32.6809 % 32.27% 00.41% { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

Easy decision.

[pooh74]

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Ok, so I picked a poor hand to post for this "discussion."

I am really curious what your calling ranges are in this situation.

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My calling range here would be:

Any pocker pair from 77.
A9+. 8 would be read dependant and 7- would be a toss.
K10+. 9 would be an easy toss.
Any broadway

Too tight/loose?

Oh and about the actual hand, I would insta call putting villain on:

22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,A2o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo. Now, that is a pretty tight range though and he can very well have an even worse hand. But against these hands:

563,348,016 games 1.218 secs 462,518,896 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 67.3191 % 66.91% 00.41% { JcJd }
Hand 2: 32.6809 % 32.27% 00.41% { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

Easy decision.

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Man, I should tighten my pushing standards against you loosey callers...

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The reason it's so loose is because I'm putting him on a steal so that justifies that range if you ask me. However, if I where in the game I'd probably have a good read on him which would either tighten up my range or making my posted range acceptable.

[Nick M]

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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 67.3191 % 66.91% 00.41% { JcJd }
Hand 2: 32.6809 % 32.27% 00.41% { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

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god that makes me so hot...excuse me i need to go to the bathroom

[Nick M]

i think 99 is a better one to ask.

[GtrHtr]

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i think 99 is a better one to ask.

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Yep. I played this hand and then started thinking about calling standards. The hand was a no brainer but I honestly wanted to get a feel for posters calling standards.

I insta called in this case and then asked myself, with the stacks like this, how low would I go?

A much more interesting poster than me would've sub'ed 99 for the JJ and that actually crossed my mind - after the first 3 posters replied - which was too late. I've got another one tho...

[pooh74]

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I play a fairly tight calling range when the pusher is not a shorty. What is your play here with 7.5 BB after posting?

***** Hand History for Game 2862701975 *****
200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16482688) - Mon Oct 24 20:51:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 35064 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: michael (1970)
Seat 4: thenagain (1740)
Seat 7: SMU (1495)
Seat 9: Griper (1065)
Seat 10: Hero (1730)
Griper posts small blind (100)
Hero posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Jh, Js ]
michael folds.
thenagain folds.
SMU folds.
Griper raises (965) to 1065
Griper is all-In.
Hero?

What is your calling range in this situation? Example: AK+, TT+

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I'd say that is about right...in the BB and depending on read maybe Aq+ 99+...I'd call with JJ here in BB all day.

Edit: yeah, if I have him as a "push almost any two" type character, I might widen my range even more...but not down to 66, and AT is pushing it for me considering the stacks.