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#12
06-10-2005, 12:12 AM
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Re: fire again?
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it is definitely more profitable to check and call any river, because you will get bluffed at so much. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think it's definitely more profitable to check and call.....I think it's close. Often if you check the turn and the river gets checked to you your opponents fold. Whereas 1 or both may have called a turn bet, with a pair or a flush draw. And if you bet the turn, it's an easy fold to a checkraise most of the time. However, after thinking about this a while after I posted above that I would bet -- I would only feel confident folding to that turn checkraise if I had some inkling of my opponent(s)' tendencies. So usually in practice I check there and hope to pick off bluff river bets. But again---- with known players it's a pretty easy turn bet imo. 
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#13
06-10-2005, 02:52 AM
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Re: fire again?
Obviously there are two lines here: betting the turn and checking the river; or checking the turn and calling the river (barring improvement or action of course for both lines). Which is more +EV?
I think that betting the turn and checking the river is a better line because of two reasons: 1) you get money out of hands that call the turn but won't call a river bet (smaller pairs that are hoping to hit on river or flush draws, or a combination of both). 2) you won't induce very many bluffs/value bets with worse pairs/missed flush draws on the river because the pot is 3-handed. Not many people try to bluff two opponents on the river.
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#14
06-10-2005, 02:34 PM
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Re: fire again?
With no read, and no info on your recent activity, I think betting the turn is mandatory. If you are raised, I think a fold is in order with no read. River bet when checked to depends on how many are still standing.
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#15
06-10-2005, 04:15 PM
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Re: fire again?
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Obviously there are two lines here: betting the turn and checking the river; or checking the turn and calling the river (barring improvement or action of course for both lines). Which is more +EV? I think that betting the turn and checking the river is a better line because of two reasons: 1) you get money out of hands that call the turn but won't call a river bet (smaller pairs that are hoping to hit on river or flush draws, or a combination of both). 2) you won't induce very many bluffs/value bets with worse pairs/missed flush draws on the river because the pot is 3-handed. Not many people try to bluff two opponents on the river. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. Also, if I know something of my opponents' game ...I have an inkling of what checking calling an Ace high flop and checking the turn means. Most opponents holding an Ace will (in no particular order): 1) Lead bet the flop 2) Check raise the flop 3) Call the flop and lead the turn 4) Call the flop and checkraise the turn I think #4 is the least likely for fear of the turn getting checked through. Lends more weight to a turn bet imo.
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