KK faces 2 on what i think is a semi-blank board

[jaxUp]

good initial flop 3bet. When it comes back to you, you are getting 23:1 (assuming SB calls) and you have odds to call even if BB flips 72o for the boat. Turn is tough. I think we're screwed a lot of the time (like >90%), and it's probably ok to fold

[car ramrod]

I think you are in trouble here. BB has a wide range, which could easily contain a 7. I guess I may call down if no [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]'s show up. I am not raising anymore, unless ofcourse it's a K.

[imported_The Vibesman]

Does a loose passive BB really cap this flop with anything but a 7? I'd probably call down and hate it.

[tiltaholic]

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reads: table is semi-loose/passive. nothing really crazy.

1/2 full ring. i've condensed preflop. just assume folds between.

Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Preflop: <font color="red">UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets</font>, SB cold calls, BB cold calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red">SB bets, BB raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="red">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="red">BB caps</font>, <font color="blue">Hero...???</font>

then figure if you call and the turn is a non-[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], what do you do, does it matter what card it is?

the action would probably go: SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets</font> ??

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clearly you are calling the flop cap.

if it's one bet to me on the turn i'd have a really hard time folding and then not seeing a showdown once i got to the river. but i don't think you are good enough and perhaps folding is best (assuming he is too passive to jam a draw)

if this was somewhere like 5/10 i'd definitely see a showdown since it could easily be something like 88-TT

[BoogerFace]

*grunch*

Reads would help. This is a tough hand.

Call the flop. Bet/raise any non-heart and you have odds to call down your 2 outer.

[johnc]

The BB is definately playing this flop like he got trips or a set. The key is your preflop raise didn't provoke the usual "check to the pf raiser" line that's typical of these types of LP tables. The SB seems to be in there for some reason, however he's just calling (raises &amp; re-raises!). Seems like he's on the draw but can't be too sure given lack of reads, outside chance he'sittin' on something like maybe a seven and is collecting bets but I see this as very remote since this play might take more thought processes than a cold-calling donk (with 7-anything) is capable of.
Turn - well, after reluctantly calling the flop, I can't see that I'm ahead enough times to continue to raise this hand. My personal line would be check/call mode and see. If a heart falls and the SB actually raises then I'm folding. Obviously if the lucky king falls well........

[@bsolute_luck]

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Reads would help

[/ QUOTE ] i did provide reads. i couldn't get more specific than semi-Loose/passive simply because i wasn't at the table long enough. but i figured SB could be on a draw/a 2 or a small pocket and BB to have a pocket pair. i just couldn't see any hand cold calling a 3-bet with a 7 in it.

the problem i have is to call this flop, he's definitely betting back into me regardless on the turn so i should either cap the flop or fold i thought. i couldn't see such a suckout fastplaying like this, and maybe he was being goofy with something like QQ[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or something.

sadly i didn't listen to myself and i called down and the schmuck showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[bozlax]

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the problem i have is to call this flop, he's definitely betting back into me regardless on the turn so i should either cap the flop or fold i thought.

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You don't have the opportunity to cap the flop. You 3-bet, BB capped. And, yeah, once he caps he should be betting into you regardless on the turn. And, results to the contrary notwithstanding, I think your reasoning is good (it helps that it matches mine [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]), there aren't a whole lot of hands containing a 7 that he should be calling 2 with preflop, but there are a lot of hands that you beat that he'd play aggressively on the flop.

I still say this hand could stand to throw in a raise on the turn, but I guess it doesn't really gain us much since a draw will call the raise and fold the river but a hand holding the 7 or 22 will punish us for it. Ok, fine, just call the turn and river UI, yeesh.

:grunch: I would fold the flop, not raise. But since you raised, I would call the cap and pray for a K to fall. If the turn isn't a K, I would probably fold.

This might be weak, but BB will have a 7 most of the times.

[Fantam]

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:grunch: I would fold the flop, not raise. But since you raised, I would call the cap and pray for a K to fall. If the turn isn't a K, I would probably fold.

This might be weak, but BB will have a 7 most of the times.

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BB could have been raising the flop with a smaller pocket pair. A lot of players like to slow play trips on the flop and wait for the turn to spring a raise.

So 3-betting the flop with possibly the best hand made sense. BB capping the flop then strongly suggested that he had a 7.

Calling the flop cap was correct due to the large pot odds that the OP was receiving. However the question then became whether it would be worth calling an unimproved hand to the river.