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Old 09-23-2005, 04:55 PM
deception5 deception5 is offline
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I would not limp if I was in first, but supposing CO raises, the BB is generally loose and will call, and the EP limper is in, and I'm still getting a good price, aren't I?

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Nope. If you have to pay 2 bets preflop, your implied odds are shot. If there's a good chance of seeing the flop for 1 bet then it is a very playable hand.

Be careful of going to far when you hit a J or a T, this hand was a big loser of mine for a while.
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Old 09-23-2005, 04:56 PM
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Well, JT makes a lot of different nut straights, so I like to play it. I abandon it at the flop if it misses. I would not limp if I was in first, but supposing CO raises, the BB is generally loose and will call, and the EP limper is in, and I'm still getting a good price, aren't I? I know I need JTo with more players in, though.

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This seems to directly contradict your action. If this is JTs, I have no problem. Have you read SSHE? They mention the 3 main characteristics of a starting hand: high card strenghth, suitedness, and connectedness. With JTs, you have 2 of those, so limping would be fine here. JTo, however, is just hoping for straights. Particularly in a raised pot.

You should be in the habit of folding this pre-flop without more limpers. (Or raising from the Button first in.)

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value, buying the button, and maybe a free card. I don't do this often, but this spot seemed right. If this is not correct, I won't do it again.

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Others might argue that it's for value, but I think it's razor thin if it's positive. You need to be sure that your opponents are pretty passive to try it often. This table doesn't look passive as you've described it.
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Old 09-23-2005, 04:58 PM
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If you don't raise your OESD's, then when are you raising?

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An OESD 3-handed does not have enough equity to raise.

8 outs = ~31% equity.

We might be able to add a bit for our BDFD, but it's a 1-card non-nut BDFD. I'm maybe adding 0.5 outs. Like I said, it's razor-thin if positive at all.
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Old 09-23-2005, 05:01 PM
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Just call the flop and just call the river bet. When a guy call/reraises the flop and then comes to life on a paired board...he has what he is representing 99% of the time. He did not make trips on this river. He made a boat.

Brad
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Old 09-23-2005, 05:45 PM
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I would consider capping the flop. Your equity is really close to 33% so any additional bets going in are EV neutral at this point and there's a reasonable chance of getting a free card for no additional cost. It will also give you some information, if he's willing to bet the turn, it looks more like 2 pair or a set than top pair.

His stop and go is very strange, but given that he woke back up when the board paired, it's pretty often a full house. Although it is possible he put you on a strong draw on the turn and came out betting again on the river when he knew you didn't improve, I think once he 3-bets you are in big trouble.

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If it's two more to BB, he may decide to drop, figuring his hand is no longer good.

I was almost sure UTG filled up, given his play at the turn and river. He also had a low AF. I seriously considered just calling the river. Nevertheless, I've seen players at these tables bet and raise the river hands like top pair and sets. These kind of reads are much easier to make at a B&M, than online.
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Old 09-23-2005, 05:46 PM
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Just call the flop and just call the river bet. When a guy call/reraises the flop and then comes to life on a paired board...he has what he is representing 99% of the time. He did not make trips on this river. He made a boat.

Brad

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This advice was extremely helpful! Thank you!
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