Spin-off: 10 Most influential people of all time.

[Brainwalter]

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Jesus Christ
Muhammad
Buddha
Confucious
Aristotle
Columbus
St. Paul
Einstein
Darwin
Galileo Galilei

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Yeah see, one of those does not beling IMO.

[goofball]

several of those do not belong.

Columbus, Galeleo, and I agree with you on darwin now that i've thought about it for a bit. I think he belongs on the century list but not the all time list though.

[daryn]

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I don't understand how darwin is so high on these lists. I fail to see how his ideas actually changed the course of world events on anywhere near a Newton or Jesus level, or even a Merriwether Lewis level.

Explain yourselves.

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exactly, me and drudman were talking about this yesterday.

also, some guy said gandhi? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[CallMeIshmael]

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also, some guy said gandhi? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Are you saying Gandhi is bad for just the all time list, or both?

I agree he is absurd for the all time list, but not that far removed from the top 10 of the millenium (probably top 30 or so)

[goofball]

yeah. ghandi shouldn't be considered for the all time lsit, not even close. I was just repeating names from my millenium list to get things started.

[CallMeIshmael]

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yeah. ghandi shouldn't be considered for the all time lsit, not even close. I was just repeating names from my millenium list to get things started.

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FWIW, Gandhi wasnt mentioned in this thread until Daryn. Which is why Im confused as to which list he meant [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[CallMeIshmael]

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I don't understand how darwin is so high on these lists. I fail to see how his ideas actually changed the course of world events on anywhere near a Newton or Jesus level, or even a Merriwether Lewis level.

Explain yourselves.

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In addition to monumentally changing biology, you cant overlook a side effect of his work:

His affect on the current state of religion is massive. No one is more responsible for the seperation of science and religion than Darwin.

There are a billion atheists/agnostics in the world. Now, Im not about to claim that Darwin is solely respsonsible for their lack of faith in God. But, I would also say that it isnt just a coincidence that the Darwin fish is the only symbol I know for the atheist/agnostic subset.

[Prevaricator]

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I don't understand how darwin is so high on these lists. I fail to see how his ideas actually changed the course of world events on anywhere near a Newton or Jesus level, or even a Merriwether Lewis level.

Explain yourselves.

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The implications of Darwin's theory collide with and intrude upon several areas of set beliefs.

Religion: evolution conflicts directly with creationism, that should be obvious. I'd assume most people of the board would agree that creationism has been debunked, but without Darwin that certainly would not be the case. This also tests the question of "is there a god" to a certain degree, and definitely tests the question of "is there a judeo-christain god" and the validity of the scripture. When evolution suggests that the world could be much much older than people imagined, questions arise.

Social Darwinism: The notion of "survival of the fittest" made people wonder how they fit into the evolutionary scheme of things. This idea links into the eugenics movemnt which leads right into Hitler's formulation of a master race. Without Darwin, this wouldn't happen quite like this.

Biology: Obviously the theory of evolution has done a lot to aid the understanding of biology, affecting everything up to present day issues such as stem cell research, pathology, etc. Evolution governs these issues because it explains them. Without the understanding that evolution provides, we could not track the development of disease, nor would we care. Without Darwin, if Watson and Crick still discover DNA, they miss the big picture.

[CallMeIshmael]

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The implications of Darwin's theory collide with and intrude upon several areas of set beliefs.

Religion: evolution conflicts directly with creationism, that should be obvious. I'd assume most people of the board would agree that creationism has been debunked, but without Darwin that certainly would not be the case. This also tests the question of "is there a god" to a certain degree, and definitely tests the question of "is there a judeo-christain god" and the validity of the scripture. When evolution suggests that the world could be much much older than people imagined, questions arise.

Social Darwinism: The notion of "survival of the fittest" made people wonder how they fit into the evolutionary scheme of things. This idea links into the eugenics movemnt which leads right into Hitler's formulation of a master race. Without Darwin, this wouldn't happen quite like this.

Biology: Obviously the theory of evolution has done a lot to aid the understanding of biology, affecting everything up to present day issues such as stem cell research, pathology, etc. Evolution governs these issues because it explains them. Without the understanding that evolution provides, we could not track the development of disease, nor would we care. Without Darwin, if Watson and Crick still discover DNA, they miss the big picture.

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Very well said.

[daryn]

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yeah. ghandi shouldn't be considered for the all time lsit, not even close. I was just repeating names from my millenium list to get things started.

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FWIW, Gandhi wasnt mentioned in this thread until Daryn. Which is why Im confused as to which list he meant [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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i was talking about the other post, last 1000 years or whatever.