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Shillx · #1 09-04-2005, 05:20 PM

Call. This is much different than him betting into a PFR. He is betting into a PF 3-bettor and will almost always have the hand he is representing.

Brad

Redd · #2 09-04-2005, 05:45 PM

Yeah, this is a peel.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 6 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero...

This is out of Villain's character. Given his usual level of straightforward aggression, I'd guess I'm either being set up for a c/r by a monster, he's playing a flush draw a little passively (by his standards), or he got scared when two people called his genuine bluff. This is the first time I recall seeing him check the turn after being the last aggressor on the flop.

So do we walk into a check-raise with the nut no-pair, or do we let two players draw with probably 12 collective outs against us and a chance of a flush draw out there?

numeri · #3 09-04-2005, 05:49 PM

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Turn: (6.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero...

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Maybe I'm just paranoid, but BB is still in, and there's no guarantee that we're not drawing. I check behind here.

Redd · #4 09-04-2005, 06:42 PM

I checked with outs, but I don't think it's certain that I'm drawing here.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 6 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero...

Here's your blank river, Pax. So are we best 1 time in 7 here? Do we fold a better hand from BB one time in 3?

milesdyson · #5 09-04-2005, 06:50 PM

AJ/A9s/JJ/99/88 or thereabouts, or he tried to check raise the turn with TT. raise or fold the river in case BB has a T and can fold it + if utg could find a fold with an underpair.

it's more correct to fold, but i would really like to raise this type of player just for kicks.

bottomset · #6 09-04-2005, 06:50 PM

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I checked with outs, but I don't think it's certain that I'm drawing here.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 6 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero...

Here's your blank river, Pax. So are we best 1 time in 7 here? Do we fold a better hand from BB one time in 3?

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even if we are good 1/7times against UTG its should be clear we can't call here.

and we don't have enough of a hand to raise to prevent overcalls

easy fold, I hope you did

istewart · #7 09-04-2005, 07:04 PM

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I checked with outs, but I don't think it's certain that I'm drawing here.

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Unless you're putting UTG on Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or a variant AND the BB on no piece of the board you are definitely still drawing.

numeri · #8 09-04-2005, 07:30 PM

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River: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero...

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I'm not sure what the question is here. What specific hands do you think UTG might play this way that you beat? QJs? K9s? I don't think we're good often enough here, and certainly not often enough with BB yet to act.

Redd · #9 09-05-2005, 11:49 AM

I don't have the HH around right now, but Hero folds, Villain shows KQo one club, BB shows a weak T and HHIG.

I actually thought that folding the river was the second mistake in the hand. In this particular case if I had trusted my reads, used my positon, and shown some aggression somewhere else in the hand, there's a good chance I could have dragged the pot. Good to know that's just being results-oriented.

Paxosmotic · #10 09-04-2005, 06:27 PM

Check with outs, el standardo. Now gimme that blank river so we can check/fold!