2nd Hand of 15 +1 call this?

[the_joker]

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But many hands he will call, including ,weak Aces, and other hands I am ahead of.

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He will also call with stronger aces that he may have limped with (AQ, AJ). I'd just limp here mainly for flush value, because as you found out, you need to worry about overcards if your ten hits, and you need to worry about your kicker if an ace hits.

I like your raise pre-flop. With only one late limper and the blinds left ATs is a good hand. The raise was probably too large though. 80 would have been better.

Top pair best kicker is a great flop and calls for a three quarter to full pot raise which you did. Now the surprise comes when he calls - what has he got? Pocket 5s and 6s are unlikely because he shouldn't have called your pre-flop raise. If he did then I'm prepared to lose all my chips. If he's got pocket 10s or above I'm also prepared to lose all my chips. That's poker.

Its even more unlikely that he called with 87, but not impossible.

Most likely holdings are K10, Q10, J10 pocket 9s and maybe 10-9.

The turn is where you made your mistake by not betting. You have to bet here to get information. If he's drawing to an open-ended straight you can't give him a free card by checking. If he's got pocket 9s a bet would likely make him muck. If he calls or (check raises) a big bet again then goes all in on the river you know you're beat and can throw your hand away.

Now he goes all in. when the nine flops. Your weakness on the turn makes it possible he is making a move. The fact he went all-in also points to it being a move. If the nine completes his nut straight or makes trips why go all in against someone who showed weakness on the turn. Same with two pair. I'd try extract money.

I still think he may have K10, Q10 or at worst maybe a Jack.
I'd call all in.

[wookie]

absolutely you should be betting the turn.

but since the turn was not bet I would fold to the all-in - your stack is too healthy not to wait for another chance.

of course that is what he may be thinking you will do, but you were outplayed - let it go.

- w

[Roland32]

Well I should state at this point for information sake that he had 95o. SO your right I definately should of bet turn. Ironicaly enough, my check was to induce a bluff on river if I was in fact ahead. I figure this was the same as betting and being called on turn. Any thoughts on that?

I don't think that your hand was anywhere near good enough to try induce a bluff. There is simply so many cards that could potentially beat a single (not even top) pair. If you still had top pair on the turn then maybe (but still probably not). You needed to bet the turn in order to 1. gain information on whether he had a jack 2. not give a free card to a drawing hand 3. preferably take the pot down there and then with your tenuous holding.

That's not to say your play didn't work. I still think that the all in on the river will be either an outright bluff or a semi-bluff with a worse hand than yours enough times to warrant a call. So maybe your inducing a bluff play worked - good result, bad decision.

[bawcerelli]

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you clearly have to bet the turn to find out where you are.

[Roland32]

Well I agree I misplayed the turn but I believe it was because I used a strong play in a bad spot. When I raised preflop and bet flop and he called both I started to think he might have been slow playing a monster. So if I bet the turn and raises then I have to fold to reraise even if reraise is a bluff, or a stand w a lessor hand. However if I check the turn,(risking giving a free card) I now show weakness with a hand I am either way ahead of or way behind. Inducing a bluff enough to offset the free card I give and ensuring a river showdown.

[bawcerelli]

you overthought it on all levels. you gave a free card to a calling station that turned over 95o to beat you. keep it a bit more simple.

[barry111]

It was a case of ---> FPS
I think I was the villian on this hand. If you can verify your Roland on PS then I would be happy to give you my thoughts on this hand.

[pooh74]

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Well I should state at this point for information sake that he had 95o. SO your right I definately should of bet turn. Ironicaly enough, my check was to induce a bluff on river if I was in fact ahead. I figure this was the same as betting and being called on turn. Any thoughts on that?

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PF raise=bad
Flop bet=good
turn check=good
river call=bad

Ironically, i like the turn check cas I want to save up my stack for later in a situation less ambiguous. Ok, it turned out he was a donk or had you on AK (stupid in and of itself) and got lucky. But, the flat flop call indicates great strength. If this were later on, I'd love this flop obviously. But with 3 players in calling god know what PPs, I am a little hesitant after being cold called for 2/3 pot.