A new theory on Negraneau challenge matches

[Smoothcall]

I'm saying all of the people i mentioned are better at limit holdem than daniel. You ask for all these proofs. Where is your proof he is good or great you seem to think? Because he has played since high school? Thats your argument. C'mon? He had made fortunes playing tournmaent poker and gone broke yime after time. How does this equate to excellent live poker player? The other people i have mentioned have increased there bankroll year in and year out. Just the opposite of losing fortunes. How does he lose all this income he has made from tournies in the past? Just because the people i mentioned don't play as high as daniel now doesn't equate to better player. Btw, there are many guys in the mid to high stakes that i think are much better than danile at limit holdem. Again just speculation. But i bet i'm right.

You don't think discipline is a major part of playing limit holdem professionally? I'm not attacking you. Just annoys me when everybody assumes he is a better live player than people like i mentioned just because he's rich through tournaments. Show the players on that list the respect they deserve, they have earned it! Daniel blowing huge bankrolls that he won from tournies doesn't deserve my respect of his live play.

[citanul]

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Are you seriously contending that Daniel doesn't know how to play in full games? If you know something I don't, please share it.

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no, it appears he was contending that none of the games spread at the wynn are of high enough stakes to be "worth danny's time." the fact that that is what he writes in the op and then in response to your post he writes that infact he was saying that danny is just bad at full ring games is pretty ridiculous and a clear mark that this poster is a troll, however.

additionally, the original poster uses the "presumably" danny's contract says he can only play at the wynn. this has been "presumed" many times, and every time, someone has to come along and point out that the details of dan's contract have not and likely will not, be disclosed.

so for now that person can be me.

citanul

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He wasn't talking to OP, he was talking to Smoothcall.

[Vincent Lepore]

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this poster is a troll

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Citanul calls Smoothcall a troll. Smoothcall cannot reply because he will be banned by the moderator. This is exactly what happened before when Smoothcall was banned. Things here won't change until the moderator gets it right and realizes that Smoothcall is not the one that starts the insults. He should warn and ban those that are at fault not the innocent.

vince

[citanul]

i'm sorry vince, but i was saying that the original poster in this thread was a troll.

citanul

[tipperdog]

Jeez, you disappear to play one MTT on Party and return to find that you've been flamed by the moderator. With all due respect, you owe me an apology.

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it appears he was contending that none of the games spread at the wynn are of high enough stakes to be "worth danny's time." the fact that that is what he writes in the op and then in response to your post he writes that infact he was saying that danny is just bad at full ring games is pretty ridiculous

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In fact, I said nothing about DN's ring game skills. I can only imagine that you were referring to Smoothcall's post and mistakenly attributed it to me.

Then, you wrote about my post that it was:
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a clear mark that this poster is a troll

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Again, I think you've mixed up my post with someone else's. But really, namecalling? From the moderator?

Then you wrote:
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additionally, the original poster uses the "presumably" danny's contract says he can only play at the wynn. this has been "presumed" many times, and every time, someone has to come along and point out that the details of dan's contract have not and likely will not, be disclosed.


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Let's look at what I actually wrote, and higlight where I stated--as clearly as could possibly be stated--that I haven't seen the contract, so my post should be considered speculation only:

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Presumably, Daniel's contract as "ambassador" for the Wynn prohibits him from playing cash games at other area casinos (and possible out-of-area, as well). ...deletia... Obviously, I'm not privy to their contract terms, but both Daniel and the Wynn have hinted that they have an "exclusive" relationship..... deletia In response to the inevitable questions, do I really know anything? No, I'm just speculating.


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Could I have been much clearer?

But now you've forced me to do research. In his column in Cardplayer, Mike O'Malley (then a manager at the Wynn) wrote:
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Wynn Las Vegas has taken a bold step in signing one of the most popular poker players in the world to serve as its poker ambassador. Daniel Negreanu will play exclusively at Wynn Las Vegas when he is in town.


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And in a subsequent interview, Deborah Giardina, Wynn Poker Director said in response to the question, Is there any truth to the rumor that Wynn has hired Daniel Negreanu as a poker host?
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Absolutely, Daniel will be our Poker Ambassador. When Daniel plays live action in Las Vegas it will be exclusively in the Wynn Las Vegas Poker Room.


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I think that more than qualifies as "hinting" at an exclusive relationship, don't you?

Apart from the substance of your post (on which you were dead wrong), its tone was insulting, attacking, and clearly inappropriate. I would expect as much from a "Troll," but isn't it your job to keep debate civil around here?

[ononimo]

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i'm sorry vince, but i was saying that the original poster in this thread was a troll.

citanul

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the original post in this thread is FAR From trolling.
get it right.

[SNOWBALL138]

Here's a quote from Roy Cooke's latest article in cardplayer:

"In a recent session at Wynn Las Vegas, the $40-$80 hold’em game was good, with several players obviously having limited poker experience. With fewer than 50 hours of live play this year, I felt more out of touch at a poker table than I had in a good couple of decades, and I played very poorly. I left several bets out on the table that a player with my knowledge should have stuck in his stack. I missed reads to make plays that a player with my experience should have made. I left the game slightly stuck and felt that I deserved it. I had failed to adjust to the situation. I didn’t adjust to my own lack of feel arising from my live-play rustiness."

Do you still think that Cooke is in the same class as Daniel or Jen? I doubt that cooke has ever played 2/4k

I think he usually plays below 50/100

I find it strange that you have arbitrarily placed Mason and Cooke in this line-up. It really seems to me from this and your other posts that you will go to any length to insult Daniel, and that you aren't concerned with being truthful.

[citanul]

While I will apologize for misusing my pronouns, since I responded talking about both your post and Smoothcall's post in one, I will not do so for calling you a troll. And, beyond that, I will not believe that calling someone a troll on an internet message board constitutes "name calling." It is merely a way of describing a particular type of poster, sometimes accurately and sometimes inaccurately.

A troll is not just someone who does flaming and or totally non-substantiative posts, but also can be someone who posts repetitious garbage.

If you believe that your post stating that you believe it is possible that the reason danny plays these matches is due to some exclusivity clause in his contract with the wynn, you are hugely mistaken. similarly, if you believe you are even merely the 20th person to independently come up with this amazing insight, you are mistaken.

Further, if you want to have your posts where you say things and question things like you did in the original post taken more seriously, you should probably include the evidence which you included in this most recent post in the original post. Much like if you were to write a paper for a class, you wouldn't just write it with no evidence, and upon receiving a D for lack of supporting evidence then tell the teacher that you had lots, and pull a pile of evidence out of your pocket.

As for the tone of my post and it's content, it really was in no way attacking, uncivil, or inappropriate unless you decide to read it that way. it was not meant that way. It was meant as exactly what you hint at, an attempt to keep the discourse civil, but also not just having the same 5 posts over and over again.

In finale, anyone who thinks that "troll" is an inappropriate thing to call another person on a message board is quite mistaken, in my opinion. If the moderator wants to tell me otherwise, he is of course free to warn me off that and delete my posts or edit them or whatnot.

citanul

[tipperdog]

So just to summarize, your earlier post labeled me a troll because I provided two conflicting reasons for Daniel's challenges:
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It appears he was contending that none of the games spread at the wynn are of high enough stakes to be "worth danny's time." the fact that that is what he writes in the op and then in response to your post he writes that infact he was saying that danny is just bad at full ring games is pretty ridiculous and a clear mark that this poster is a troll."

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Now, you acknowledge that there was no conflict (because another poster provided the second explanation and you mistakenly attributed his remarks to me). Yet you still think I'm a troll because my post was "repetitious garbage" (either that or it was "flaming" or "totally non-substantive.") Both your original and subsequent post labelling me a troll didn't mention repetition at all, but that's no matter.

Nonetheless, you indicate that I shouldn't fret so much because being called a "troll" really isn't an insult at all--it's just a "description." That seems a bit of a stretch to me, but I'll accept your explanation, being less conversant in Internet-speak than most posters.

--Tipperdog

Incidentally, thanks for the advice on providing supporting evidence when writing a paper for class. It's been a long time since I received my BA and MA, but if I ever decide to go back for the PhD, I'll certainly keep your advice in mind. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]