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Old 12-13-2005, 07:35 PM
LearnedfromTV LearnedfromTV is offline
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Default Re: Results not important, please critique flop and turn play

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Thus the call can only be correct if hero could have such a good read that the majority of the time the villain would not have a straight.

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This is way wrong.

Hero has to call $88 into a $301 pot.

When the Villain has the straight Hero's EV is $301*10/42 = $72

When the Villain doesn't have the straight, let's say 50% of the time he semibluffing and has on average 8 outs to a straight, and 50% of the time he's either drawing dead (or drawing to one card, the extremely unlikely, given the action, lower set)

So when villain doesn't have the straight, Hero's EV is $301*0.5 + 301*(34/42)*0.5 = $272

72*(1-x) + 272*x = 88 -----> x = .08.

So he has to have the straight greater than 92% of the time to make the call incorrect.

(Even if Villain has an average of ten outs (i.e. he *only* makes this bet with big straight draws and *never* with two pair or as a bluff), he still would have to have the straight about 90% of the time to make a call incorrect.)
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Old 12-13-2005, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: Results not important, please critique flop and turn play

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Hero has to call $88 into a $301 pot.

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Learning from TV can be hazardous to your poker career. The pot was only $301 after hero called villain's bet on the turn and villain was allin.
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Old 12-16-2005, 06:50 AM
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Default Re: Results not important, please critique flop and turn play

"My thinking then and now is the major value of being so aggressive/loose is that people won't respect my bets as much and I can bet made hands. Is this wrong?"

no thats a fine way to play if your smart about it, it can be very profitable, just will have a lot of swings

Im not sure why u felt the need to call if u were sure he made his straight, thats what i dont agree with. You made a crying call and sucked out, but nice pot
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:53 AM
Phishy McFish Phishy McFish is offline
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Default Did you read the other replies.....

I don't think I made a crying call. Was I happy with the turn card and that bet.....no. Did I feel as though it was worth a call of that much to win a pot of that much based on what he could have.......yes.
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