Ooops I missed. Line check?

[Che]

Do you really have no read on his preflop open-limp? You told us a little about the guy, but knowing what you think he open-limps with would help a lot.

I think it is odd that you did not raise preflop. Perhaps you read his play as a trap and didn't want to get raised off your hand. However, if he's trapping you, you're often in bad shape when you actually hit the flop, so why not raise preflop to figure things out a little cheaper?

Postflop: Don't overdo it with the double-barrel overcard bluffs OOP, of course, but you have to fire a second barrel sometimes to keep your opponents honest. I believe you have a solid understanding of changing speeds, so I doubt you are overdoing it.

When you do hit the river with a non-flush card, I think you have to fire the third shot unless you *know* the opponent will *always* bet if you check. Even then you should probably fire the third barrel to prevent him from misclicking and checking behind. Seriously, the overcard/straight card is very likely to scare him so you can't let him get away without a value bet if you're confident that you're good (and why wouldn't you be?).

Since you posted this, he probably had K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], but that doesn't change anything for me. Your top pair has to be beating his flush draw or flopped top pair plenty often to justify betting the river.

Later,
Che

[woodguy]

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Your top pair has to be beating his flush draw or flopped top pair plenty often to justify betting the river.


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My problem here was that I don't see many hands that call the turn beating me on the river.

Very nice to see you posting again.

Stay away from limit hold em, that way lay madness.

Regards,
Woodguy

[woodguy]

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Since you posted this, he probably had K Q

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Actually, he doubled me up with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I liked my read, since he was aggro, but the play was very thin, so I thought I'd post it.

Got lucky.

Regards,
Woodguy

[illegit]

The river was the Jc so he didn't have KcJc, sir. Are you fibbing?

[woodguy]

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The river was the Jc so he didn't have KcJc, sir. Are you fibbing?

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Good catch. He had spades.

Hand #10415937-91 so you can look it up, I'm not lying.

Regards,
Woodguy

[EverettKings]

Why did you even get involved on the flop in this small pot, out of position, with nothing, fairly deep, against a LAG? What the hell do you care about this pot? It has roughly zero chance to win you a big pot and lots of chance to get you to spew off a bunch more chips or back your way into a really tough decision.

As played, on the river, it's hard to tell if you're best or not but even if you decide that you like your hand, I see very little value in a raise. What worse hand is going to pay off another 2500? KJ or QJ maybe, but that's about it. The rest of the time you're going to get the same value from bluffs and other worse hands while forking over 2500 extra chips the times that you're beat.

Regards,

Everett

[woodguy]

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It has roughly zero chance to win you a big pot and lots of chance to get you to spew off a bunch more chips or back your way into a really tough decision.

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Very true, but I didn't plan on firing a 3rd empty barrell.

Regards,
Woodguy

[RED FACE]

On the river are you presenting a check-raise bluff then? I can see a lag calling that w a strong 9 but it's an edgy play imo.

I guess on the turn you don't put him on a str8 or 2 pair as he would likely raise fearing you're betting into a draw, no?

Okay, I think I like... maybe like very much.

[BPA234]

Post flop through turn, he's either calling with total monster or weak holdings. If he does not improve on the river, he has to fold. If he does improve he has to call.

IMO, very well done. A perfectly timed play against the perfect vill. You committed to the hand and followed through.

[Dave D]

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Hello All,

Sorry about the format.

HIM was being really LAGGY earlier and hammered some flops and played big hands well and aggressive.

Was a bit of a calling station.

BB was sitting out, and I have protected his blinds about 8/10 times.

I made a 2 barrell bluff/semi-bluff, then hit the river.

How's my line?

Hand #10415937-91 at Tue830pmWS1-012 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 20/Dec/05 21:54:28

slob711 is at seat 0 with 5575.
dirtymott is at seat 1 with 0 (sitting out).
ME with 5270.
SaucerHD is at seat 3 with 1630.
pops11 is at seat 5 with 1120.
JC1010 is at seat 6 with 5380.
zmansher is at seat 7 with 1525.
HIM at seat 8 with 10340.
JML2 is at seat 9 with 8360.
The button is at seat 1.

ME posts the small blind of 50.
SaucerHD posts the big blind of 100.

slob711: -- --
ME: Jh Ac
SaucerHD: -- --
pops11: -- --
JC1010: -- --
zmansher: -- --
HIM: -- --
JML2: -- --

Pre-flop:

pops11 folds. JC1010 folds. zmansher folds.
HIM calls. JML2 folds. slob711 folds.
ME calls. SaucerHD folds.

Flop (board: 6d 9h 4d):

ME bets 250. HIM calls.

Turn (board: 6d 9h 4d Tc):

ME bets 500. HIM calls.

River (board: 6d 9h 4d Tc Jc):

ME checks. HIM bets 1800. ME goes all-in for 4420.

I think I'm ahead......thoughts?

Regards,
Woodguy

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I don't understand why you didn't raise PF. You know you're pretty much going to be HU, why don't you rep a strong hand (which you have)? I think this would have also given your later bets more credibility.

I haven't looked at any replies yet, but this smells to me like HIM slow played the crap out of a set. Why would he call you down and then bet like that?