bonds to have another surgery

[jakethebake]

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I thought you were going to say "surgery to remove foot from mouth".

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I thought it was gonna say "remove his head from his ass."

[jakethebake]

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dont let him in the hall of fame

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why not? it wasn't against the rules before last year.

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It was illegal, however.

[M2d]

doing something illegal doesn't immediately disqualify a player from entering the hall.

[jakethebake]

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doing something illegal doesn't immediately disqualify a player from entering the hall.

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no, but something illegal and performance-enhancing might. i'm not arguing one way or the other. i'm just pointing out that steroids aren't the same as smoking dope because that doesn't improve your play.

[Soul Daddy]

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doing something illegal doesn't immediately disqualify a player from entering the hall.

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no, but something illegal and performance-enhancing might. i'm not arguing one way or the other. i'm just pointing out that steroids aren't the same as smoking dope because that doesn't improve your play.

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But the problem with this logic is that it would implicitly disqualify an entire generation from Hall eligibility. We're never going to know all of the players who enhanced their ability through steroids. How do I know Griffey / ARod / Clemens... weren't juiced? Just because they haven't testified for a grand jury or because Canseco didn't mention them in his book?

There's just too much speculation and too little known to take such a stance.

[mostsmooth]

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BTW, many many players have broken the law (Dwight Gooden, Darryl Strawberry to name a few). What's your point?

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for the most part, they took responsibility for their actions
i really dont care if every player in the league is on juice, just dont sit there and lie about it if you get caught

[mostsmooth]

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I thought you were going to say "surgery to remove foot from mouth".

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I thought it was gonna say "remove his head from his ass."

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both of these were possibilities,but i went the original route

[mostsmooth]

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doing something illegal doesn't immediately disqualify a player from entering the hall.

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no, but something illegal and performance-enhancing might. i'm not arguing one way or the other. i'm just pointing out that steroids aren't the same as smoking dope because that doesn't improve your play.

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But the problem with this logic is that it would implicitly disqualify an entire generation from Hall eligibility. We're never going to know all of the players who enhanced their ability through steroids. How do I know Griffey / ARod / Clemens... weren't juiced? Just because they haven't testified for a grand jury or because Canseco didn't mention them in his book?

There's just too much speculation and too little known to take such a stance.

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they wouldnt be barred from the hall on speculation. bonds got caught. giambi got caught. sheffield caught. if you get caught then youre barred.

[M2d]

I'm not saying that it won't or shouldn't get him banned. just that it doesn't automatically have to do so. others have cheated the rules of baseball and gotten in. their transgressions were definately "performance enhancing" (Niekro, Perry, Ford...)

[Jack of Arcades]

Let's remove every spitballer, then.