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Old 12-14-2005, 03:51 PM
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There is a common misconception that you should play tightly against loose players. This is wrong, as is mentioned in SSHE.

You could profit in such a game by playing tightly, but that would be far from optimal. You should play more tightly than your opponents, but you should be much looser than in a normal game. The reason is that the players who are capping with 92o are contributing so much dead money that they convert many normally unprofitable hands into profitable hands.

The value of suitedness goes up. The value of connectedness goes up. You do not need implied odds to play low pocket pairs and suited connectors and Axs, as they have enough value without implied odds. You should pitch A7o.

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This is a great post! In these games small pocket pairs and AXs are premium hands, because you are trying to flop sets and nut flushes. IMO, small suited connectors (below 8-9) go down in value a little bit, because they have negative implied odds to a bigger flush (as no one throws away suited trash hands like Q3s). That said, hands like AJ KQ and the like go way up in value, you can and should play them against mulitple raises.
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Old 12-14-2005, 05:18 PM
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I had my doubts about a hand like A6s, but after doing a similar calculation as above, it looks like the break-even point is also right around 30 BB. In the OP's game, it looks like most pots were going far past that, so Axs is also playable.

Huh. Live and learn.

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Old 12-14-2005, 05:49 PM
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You also need to consider that A6s is a hand that will often get action on the high end when it hits. The reason is that if all 9 seats are playing every hand, often times you will see a lower flush if you hit. When this happens this guarentees averaging over the 30BBs that you need to be profitable.
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:59 AM
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Watch for spots where they slow down in the betting. Many times it's on the bigger streets. That's where they'll usually define their hands.

Also beware of any tight player entering the pot.

You're basically playing from the flop on as you know it will be capped preflop.

You could play the AA-QQ, AKs etc...book recommendation. Note that it also says your winrate will be lower, but your fluctuations won't be as great. That's the trade off.

What I play in these games:

All Pocket pairs. Sets are golden in these games.

All suited broadways JT or higher.

Only offsuit is AK. AQo some add in, I don't.

Axs. (Your ace could easily be good if you make a pair. You're not worried as much about being outkicked in these games)

Anticipate raises behind you postflop to better calculate odds for draws. This way you won't trap yourself. Know who the aggressors are during the hand.

There you go. You will still be sitting out for long periods waiting for these hands. If the fluctuations get to you too much, tighten it up. These are great games once you get used to them. They can be scary at first glance.

Bring a bulk size bottle of Maalox with you to the table.

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