should i just set him in?

[yvesaint]

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i think you and everyone else - the difference is folding a low flush with 4 on the board. they'll pump it up, where a half-decent player knows where they stand.

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yea, im only talking about this hand, 4-flush boards are completely different. im just saying theres no point in "trying to fold better hands" here. im just wondering if worse hands would call a raise/push

[beavens]

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i think you and everyone else - the difference is folding a low flush with 4 on the board. they'll pump it up, where a half-decent player knows where they stand.

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yea, im only talking about this hand, 4-flush boards are completely different. im just saying theres no point in "trying to fold better hands" here. im just wondering if worse hands would call a raise/push

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i think the best line would be to call and cry if he caught his backdoor flush.

but ive got a feeling youre ahead against a set/2pr

[Bukem_]

Bet as much as you think he will call. He probably folds to a push though.

Huge majority of the time this is a confused donkey making a blocking bet/bluff, only he isn't sure which one it is.

These guys are hard to bluff, and you have to valuebet everything possible vs their stupid donk bets.

[GrunchCan]

I hate raising this river. Only a better hand will call. He's given you a nice showdown price. Why not just take it? If he shows you just a ten with no clubs, he wouldn't have called your raise or push. If he has a weak flush, he would have. If he has 2-pair, he probably (not for sure) calls the push. But there are few hands that play this way in to 2-pair.

I'll just call.

[yvesaint]

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[GrunchCan]

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what about a mini-raise

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From you?

I'm not sure about that; I don't think often about making a minraise. I can see the value in it here. It might encourage a very marginal hand to call in desperation.

But then again (and the main reason why I generally don't like minraises), a minraise exposes you to further action, which you usually won't want. The opponent will of course push a strong hand. But a short stack could also feel like he needs to swing his way away from the wall, and push any marginal hand.

A push from the opponent is a very likely response to your minraise, and when it happens, it sucks. Given that a minraise will never evoke a fold, sometimes will evoke a call, and often evoke a difficult push, I'll not minraise here.

[yvesaint]

id love a push from a marginal hand

question is, how often is a push a hand that i beat, and how often is a push from hand that i lose to? if it's 50/50 then the mini-raise is good because there are times when he also makes that crying call

[Bukem_]

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But a short stack could also feel like he needs to swing his way away from the wall, and push any marginal hand.


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These guys call. He won't bluff re-raise. He has a flush if he pushes.

[emil3000]

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I actually like a minraise here.

[4_2_it]

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id love a push from a marginal hand

question is, how often is a push a hand that i beat, and how often is a push from hand that i lose to? if it's 50/50 then the mini-raise is good because there are times when he also makes that crying call

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After reading some of these postings I thinkI like the dreaded min raise here. I would think much worse hands will call and only a better hand would re-raise. It is diabolically brillant (unless of course, villain has the nut flush).