One of those really unpleasant decisions

[Acesover8s]

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Acesover8s, you're using the SLippery Slope logical fallacy. Just because I say to fold the aces on the flop doesn't mean that you want to fold pre-flop, or not get out of beds.

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I'll grant you this. . .

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I'm simply thinking "What can I beat?" Top pair? No good player will call an all-in with anything less than a set. All the +EV in the world doesn't matter if yuo're beat.

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However this is dead wrong basic fundamental poker. Following your argument would cause you to fold a flush draw against top pair getting 1000-1 on your money, a CLEARLY +EV situation where you are BEAT.

As a side note, a good player would call this all in with 2 pair in a heartbeat, and against certain opponents he may even call with one pair with 3 live kickers.

Furthermore, you don't want your allin called, and there are many hands that will fold that have outs against you, like the aforementioned one pair with 3 live kickers.

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However this is dead wrong basic fundamental poker. Following your argument would cause you to fold a flush draw against top pair getting 1000-1 on your money, a CLEARLY +EV situation where you are BEAT.


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A flush draw is not the situation I was talking about. I meant that here, in this situation, all the positve EV in the world won't help if your oppponent does have, say, 2 pairs. All you can beat is the 1 pair/3 live kickers.

[Acesover8s]

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A flush draw is not the situation I was talking about. I meant that here, in this situation, all the positve EV in the world won't help if your oppponent does have, say, 2 pairs. All you can beat is the 1 pair/3 live kickers.

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You're wrong again.

You still have outs against 2 pair. You have outs against a set. You even have a longshot against a made flush.

Your results oriented thinking will not make you successful in this game.