Stars VIP Program

[Pokeraddict]

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Who has rakeback on Party?

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Nobody does

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Nothing can substitute for 25% rakeback in cold hard cash. And there is no arguing this. If you have rakeback at party and play at stars anyway, you are a damn fool.

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Yeah, especially if you play in the $30/60 Stud 8/b game that doesn't exist on Party, or the 15/30 Stud 8/b game, or the weekly $215, or the monthly, or the WCOOP, or the satellites, or ....

[augie00]

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Nothing can substitute for 25% rakeback in cold hard cash. And there is no arguing this. If you have rakeback at party and play at stars anyway, you are a damn fool.

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Yeah, especially if you play in the $30/60 Stud 8/b game that doesn't exist on Party, or the 15/30 Stud 8/b game, or the weekly $215, or the monthly, or the WCOOP, or the satellites, or ....

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This is completley different for obvious reasons.

[TXTiger]

10:15 PM EST and there are 2 people playing stud 8 above the 3/6 level on stars. Zero players above 10/20.

[obsidian]

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Compared to getting rakeback on party, the Stars VIP program is pathetic.

Compared to no rakeback and the party VIP program, it blows party out of the water.

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Well, sort of. The Stars VIP isn't too bad actually. I posted this in another thread:

Ok, I've done a little math. I play $15/30 or $20/40 and it looks like about 83% of all hands are raked for >= $1. 125,000 points are needed for a $2000 dell gift card. That works to around 150,000 hands to play. Now I will assume Supernova status which means you earn points at 3.5x the rate so now I need to play 43,000 hands for the $2000 gift card. My average rake per hand at PP 15/30 full is $.23. This means I would generate abut $10k in rake to earn a $2k gift card so about 20% rakeback minus how much I lose in the ebay sale (about $100 I'm guessing).

[augie00]

So your ballpark estimate turns Stars VIP into 20% rakeback at supernova status. Now please explain to me how this is better than 25% rakeback. For all the hype that Lee Jones gave us, how is 20% rakeback NOT pathetic.

And no, the freerolls are BS. The only value would be in the supernova freerolls and they do not start until APRIL. Stars made sure they wouldn't give away any free money to someone who bothered to make supernova early.

People are trying really hard to justify playing at stars for some reason, maybe because the allure of a 50 inch plasma TV or a new car. Guess what? You can buy a plasma TV with cash!

[obsidian]

Well while 20% < 25%, I wouldn't exactly call it pathetic. I have a good party affiliate and really am not considering a move to stars. Especially considering that the 15/30 and higher game selection isn't very great there. I just see this as a good start. And yea, I agree that freerolls are lame.

[Shoe]

The rake is also a little lower at Stars -- so that could make up for the 5% difference in rakeback. Again, just getting cold hard cash back from Party is a lot more convenient though, and you have to play a ton of hands at Stars each year before you start getting your 20% rakeback for the rest of the year.

Not to mention the game selection is better at Party.

[Degen]

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So your ballpark estimate turns Stars VIP into 20% rakeback at supernova status. Now please explain to me how this is better than 25% rakeback. For all the hype that Lee Jones gave us, how is 20% rakeback NOT pathetic.

And no, the freerolls are BS. The only value would be in the supernova freerolls and they do not start until APRIL. Stars made sure they wouldn't give away any free money to someone who bothered to make supernova early.

People are trying really hard to justify playing at stars for some reason, maybe because the allure of a 50 inch plasma TV or a new car. Guess what? You can buy a plasma TV with cash!

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he actually convinced me a little bit

i hate party, absolutely hate them...with a difference of only 5% added to a better site, 1000x better support, lesser rake etc...i think this is a compelling case for everybody to switch to stars

if we could only convince the fish...

[O Doyle Rules]

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if we could only convince the fish...

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Actually, I think Stars will be able to convince more fish to play there with this program if it gets publicized with the general poker playing public and outside of just your hardcore players that read this forum.

I know they sure have set the hook on me. I'm like a big marlin flopping around and am ready to be pulled into the boat.