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Old 07-27-2005, 12:44 AM
The Yugoslavian The Yugoslavian is offline
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Wtf?!

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Old 07-27-2005, 12:47 AM
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I think I am missing the point of this post.
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Old 07-27-2005, 12:48 AM
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I would move allin and I don't even consider any other option here.
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Old 07-27-2005, 12:52 AM
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Default Re: Bubble AK hand

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I would move allin and I don't even consider any other option here.

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Old 07-27-2005, 01:04 AM
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Depends on what I agree with you on. I've posted plenty of stuff in the past 4-5 months that I'm sure I'd disagree with if I read it now.
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Old 07-27-2005, 01:32 AM
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I push and I don't even think about it.

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edit: I push and am practically begging for the BB to 'look me up.'
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Old 07-27-2005, 01:36 AM
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morgan you arent begging for the BB to look you up. If they have something like QJo Im pretty sure being called is -EV for you and if they have 22 it's huge -EV. You don't want action with AKo against the bigstack when there are two shortstacks (with one of them being tiny). You are more than happy to win the blinds.

btw this is a very important concept. It's a disaster if you are called by the BB here.
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Old 07-27-2005, 01:37 AM
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Push. Don't play "scared" poker -- yeah the shortstack is short, but he could easily double up. This is a great hand that's ahead of almost everything. If you're not pushing the SB with AK, you're playing with too much fear.
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Old 07-27-2005, 02:19 AM
morgan180 morgan180 is offline
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curtains - thank you for pointing this out - i just ran it through icm (b/c i'm stubborn) and you are right, even for a hand like QJ folding this PF is better than getting this called.

thanks - my first ICM experience - a positive eye opener. ( i hope i did this right)

for reference:

1) you fold
UTG 1765
Button 575
Hero 2060
BB 5900
26.37% of prize pool

2) you push and lose
UTG 1765
Button 575
Hero 0
BB 8960
0% of prize pool

3) you push and don’t get called
UTG 1765
Button 575
Hero 2360
BB 5600
27.82% of prize pool

4) you push and get called and win
UTG 1765
Button 575
Hero 4420
BB 3540
35.42% of prize pool

5) you push get called and split
UTG 1765
Button 575
Hero 2210
BB 5750
27.12% of prize pool

If BB is calling with something like QJo AKo is

---------equity (%)-----win (%)---tie (%)
Hand 1: 64.2962 % 64.10% 00.19% { AcKd }

Hand 2: 35.7038 % 35.51% 00.19% { QhJs }


Win: .641
Lose: .3551
Tie: .0019

.3542*.641 + 0*.3551 + 27.12*.0019 = .227 + 0 + .0005

22.75% of prize pool
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Old 07-27-2005, 02:48 AM
adam5206 adam5206 is offline
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You push. Your on the buddle with 10 BBs, its a great time to play aggressive. If they fold they fold, but if they call u have a great chance to double up. You could lose but if u dont double up before u lose a few more blinds an the blinds go up then u will have to make a move anyways with weaker cards.
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