Profit by position

[Nate tha' Great]

There's a lot of noise in that chart, but here's the average of EV by position, weighting by hand frequency.

SB -.160
BB -.223
3 -.036 (UTG)
4 -.002
5 +.009
6 +.010
7 +.016
8 +.020
9 +.032
D +.034 (Button/Dealer)

Note that UTG just gets killed here.

Some sense of perspective: the difference in EV between UTG+1 and the CO is .034, or roughly the difference in value between KQs and QJo, or AK and QTs, or 99 and 55. I imagine these match up pretty well with a typical set of hand rankings.

[Aaron W.]

That's not very helpful for what I'm interested in... This is a collection of data from *ALL* players (which includes the very bad ones).

However, this does show some interesting things. You can calculate the EV of each position (don't forget that AK is more common than AKs, so you need to weight the values properly!).

SB = -0.159
BB = -0.221
3 = -0.036
4 = -0.002
5 = 0.009
6 = 0.011
7 = 0.017
8 = 0.021
9 = 0.032
10 = 0.035
SUM = -0.294

1) You had better be getting a higher EV than these.
2) The negative overall EV is the rake coming into play, but you can't read into it at all because these numbers are (probably) averaged over different sized games.
3) The average player *does* in fact lose money in the blinds (quite significantly). The very low EV in the BB is probably people calling a raise with garbage. In fact, if the average person loses more in the big blind more than he wins in all the +EV positions *COMBINED*.
4) Don't read into the SB numbers too much, as this probably doesn't take only 1/2 or only 1/3 games, but mixes them up.

[chesspain]

I'll take every bigtrips/weakkicker hand you flop. I think I can make money with them [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]