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07-07-2005, 05:08 PM
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Re: .5/1 6max- Misplayed overcards?
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obviously we cannot be 100% sure of getting a free card. but if we c/r and check the turn, how often are we getting bet into, in your opinion? if we c/r the flop and get a free turn card 1/3 times we're saving bets. [/ QUOTE ] Out of position this doesn't work nearly often enough. If you're getting a free card on the turn here, the other guy needs it more than you. 
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#12
07-07-2005, 05:11 PM
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Re: .5/1 6max- Misplayed overcards?
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call of check raise on the flop = I could fold here, but I would probably call to see the turn card. You have back door flush and overs. [/ QUOTE ] I would agree on this - but it was just a raise not a check/raise. Given that this player is laggy and would raise a draw here, I would consider 3-betting and leading the turn.
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#13
07-07-2005, 05:21 PM
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Re: .5/1 6max- Misplayed overcards?
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[ QUOTE ] obviously we cannot be 100% sure of getting a free card. but if we c/r and check the turn, how often are we getting bet into, in your opinion? if we c/r the flop and get a free turn card 1/3 times we're saving bets. [/ QUOTE ] Out of position this doesn't work nearly often enough. If you're getting a free card on the turn here, the other guy needs it more than you. [/ QUOTE ] not always, often times he'll have middle or bottom pair, which right now beats us.
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#15
07-07-2005, 05:24 PM
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Re: .5/1 6max- Misplayed overcards?
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[ QUOTE ] call of check raise on the flop = I could fold here, but I would probably call to see the turn card. You have back door flush and overs. [/ QUOTE ] I would agree on this - but it was just a raise not a check/raise. Given that this player is laggy and would raise a draw here, I would consider 3-betting and leading the turn [/ QUOTE ] Sure enough, that was a raise and not a checkraise. Never mind then. My analysis is all [censored] up.
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#16
07-07-2005, 05:34 PM
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Re: .5/1 6max- Misplayed overcards? LINK
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Please read carefully this link It changed my perception on overcards. [/ QUOTE ] Good link. I like the math in it and need to learn how to do that sort of stuff. However, I'm not sure it is applicable to 2/4 and below because of this sentence: "If we presume that our opposition called preflop with at least a reasonable hand..." Very often, our opponents in these low limits will be calling with crap. That type of analysis will still work for our level, but the assumptions would need to be changed to determine if calling with overcards is +EV down here.
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07-07-2005, 05:41 PM
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Re: .5/1 6max- Misplayed overcards?
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not always, often times he'll have middle or bottom pair, which right now beats us. [/ QUOTE ] It depends on how passive your opponent is, but most reasonable players will not give you a free card with a made hand, even middle pair, when you check the turn.
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