turned top pair against a flop raise ...

[NobodysFreak]

If you think he's on a draw and will fold to a check-raise then check-raising is the best play here. Check-calling would be the worst. Our goal here is to take the pot down having just improved on the turn. We don't want to give villian a chance to improve to a hand that beats us.

If he's on any legit draw on the turn, the check-raise won't fold him, it will just "charge him more". The only thing he's folding to a turn C/R is a hand that we are way ahead of, which are hands that we would prefer him to continue betting anyways ...

I like the donk line now ...

[NobodysFreak]

Why wouldn't we want to charge him more to draw?

We would ... if we KNEW he was on a draw AND that he was going to bet the turn, then check raising the turn would be the best play. But we don't know he's on a draw ... he might check through the turn (reason to donk). He also might be way behind and check/raising the turn would lose a river-bet he would have put in.

[NobodysFreak]

I don't think villian has given us any indication that he's not going to bet this turn. He raised the flop, hero called. I don't think all but the most scared opponents aren't going to fire again on the turn. If we lead and he raises are you going to fold?

[Vote4Pedro]

Given his "somewhat laggy" reputation, I call down

[NobodysFreak]

that's exactly my case for c/r this guy. We know he's gonna fire on the turn with air. Its unlikely he's going to fold and he'll most likely call a river bet even if he's UI.

Even lags (but non-maniacs) might fold bottom pair or an A high to a scary board. I'm not sure whether to apply the "WA/WB" line or the "villian is drawing, charge him since there's no way he'll fold" line since both are equally likely with this board.

[NobodysFreak]

if we check/raise and get three-bet, I think its safe to say we're behind on this hand because like you said, he might be laggy, but he's not a maniac. If we check-raise and he's drawing, he's loose enough that he'll call with a worse hand and possible call if he doesn't improve on the river.

If we donk, get raised, we call down in a situation in which we could already be behind.

I think a check/raise might resolve some of these issues of being WA/WB or placing villian on a draw.

[McGahee]

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Comments on all streets appreciated ...
It's hard for me to put villian on trips, since the majority of 1/2 6maxers wait until the turn to raise ... especially heads up.


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Yah, vast majority. Put a raise in somewhere, probably on the turn. I don't know why people have 'fold' in their vocabulary re: this hand.