AKo on a missed flop

[David BB]

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If you check, and the villain bets and you raise, he will be forced to a difficult decision.

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Hes not going to fold a better hand, its that simple. My river play in this hand is the one thing I'm sure is correct.

I suggest you read the chapters on river play in ToP and Middle Limit Holdem [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[Noodles]

if someone has been betting all the way then checks the riv to me,i bet a pair or whatever then he rasies i would find the CR very suspect,why would he CR me here,why should he think i would bet into him after calling all the way.
I dont think a CR from the hero here would knock out anyone with a better hand

[Ralph Wiggum]

Bet the river if you're gonna call a bet.

[DMBFan23]

what if you won't call a raise?

[David BB]

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Bet the river if you're gonna call a bet.

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Again, this line of thinking just doesn't work on the river when you only have ace high. Since my opponent is extremely unlikely to fold if he has a pair and I'm not gonna get called by a worse hand (ie. a busted draw) betting here is -EV. I can only check and call what might be a bluff induced by me showing weakness with a check. Many people will bluff with a busted draw in this situation.

[Ralph Wiggum]

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what if you won't call a raise?

[/ QUOTE ] Then, I think bet/fold, a bluff, or check/fold, "Next hand!", are his only options left.

[Nick709]

Well played, I would have played it the same.
Am I the only other one who likes the river check-call?

[Danenania]

I play this the same way. Check-calling seems like the only way to go on the river. If he called the turn with a small pair, he's calling the river, but you might pick up a bet from a missed draw. Most of the time you lose this one to a J, but the pot is big enough to call.

Getting a flop checkraise in on a LP would be nice, but it's hard to judge where a bet will come from and with up to 10 outs in a big pot (plus the chance you have the best hand), you have to start cleaning up outs however you can. I bet out for fear it will be checked through, and with hopes of an EP player raising me.

[DonWaade]

A C/R is rarley percieved as a bluff at low limits. Thus he might fold.

[Jonny Melon]

I like the flop play. Bet and hope a raiser helps you protect your hand (maybe MP3 will semi-bluff raise the flush draw and protect your hand for you-- wouldn't that be ideal?).

I like the river play as well, for the reasons you've detailed in this thread.

I'm on the fence on the turn. I often play hands like this hard, hoping to fold out weaker hands unimproved, and it almost never works online against 4+ players (it does work in weak-tight B&M games, though -- I digress). I am beginning to think that it works infrequently enough to be -EV.

I like a turn check; I look this hand similarly to playing a weak draw (a 5- or 6- outer maybe) against many opponents on the turn, given the likelihood that several of your outs are unclean. With that kind of draw, I check the turn. I'd like to hear others thoughts on this.

Jon