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Re: 15/30 AK
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3-betting the flop offers 12:1 on a call. QT and JT aren't going anywhere peeps. [/ QUOTE ] This reasoning is flawed on three levels: 1) You can't assume your opponents think like you do. 2) Since when does this make it not correct to charge them for their draws? Them making a correct call if you were to raise DOES NOT mmake it incorrect to raise. 3) Weaker Kings should also be charged to draw here |
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Re: 15/30 AK
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[ QUOTE ] 3-betting the flop offers 12:1 on a call. QT and JT aren't going anywhere peeps. [/ QUOTE ] This reasoning is flawed on three levels: 1) You can't assume your opponents think like you do. 2) Since when does this make it not correct to charge them for their draws? Them making a correct call if you were to raise DOES NOT mmake it incorrect to raise. 3) Weaker Kings should also be charged to draw here [/ QUOTE ] I don't disagree with any of that. But against UTG+1 + the field's range you're making more money on a turn raise. It's hand protection+value and you satisfy both with a turn raise. Rob |
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Re: 15/30 AK
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I hate calling down here but I do it. [/ QUOTE ] and FWIW [ QUOTE ] 3-betting the flop is terrible [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: 15/30 AK
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3-betting the flop offers 12:1 on a call. QT and JT aren't going anywhere peeps. Calling and raising the turn offers 8:1 and gets more money in against KQ etc when the wayyyyyyyy averaggro dude has that. I hate calling down here but I do it. That guy usually has 99/K9s here but AQd, AJd, even KQs and obviously a chop are enough of a consideration that I'm seeing a showdown unless one of the people raises behind me, especially on a diamond. [/ QUOTE ] this sounds good to me except for the bolded part, I've never seen this type of move in a multiway pot with these. granted I haven't played that much poker (maybe 100K hands total?) Jason are these stats all from full ring at 15/30? if they were 10/20 SH stats and he was stepping up, he'd actually be a much tougher opponent than his stats would indicate |
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Re: 15/30 AK
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[ QUOTE ] 3-betting the flop offers 12:1 on a call. QT and JT aren't going anywhere peeps. Calling and raising the turn offers 8:1 and gets more money in against KQ etc when the wayyyyyyyy averaggro dude has that. I hate calling down here but I do it. That guy usually has 99/K9s here but AQd, AJd, even KQs and obviously a chop are enough of a consideration that I'm seeing a showdown unless one of the people raises behind me, especially on a diamond. [/ QUOTE ] this sounds good to me except for the bolded part, I've never seen this type of move in a multiway pot with these. granted I haven't played that much poker (maybe 100K hands total?) Jason are these stats all from full ring at 15/30? if they were 10/20 SH stats and he was stepping up, he'd actually be a much tougher opponent than his stats would indicate [/ QUOTE ] They are mined 10/20 full-ring stats. |
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Re: 15/30 AK
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3-betting the flop is terrible. [/ QUOTE ] It's not as good as waiting for the turn, but it's not "terrible". |
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