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12-20-2005, 03:28 AM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] little early to be raising QTs. [/ QUOTE ] well, maybe it's a little early for you, but i play probably play alot better than you after the flop... when you analyze a hand i post, remember to pretend you play effing good postflop. thx. [/ QUOTE ] Don't be a dick, Jason, you clearly don't play effing good postflop or else you wouldn't be posting so many hands here. You're too loose PF. We've seen it time and again. QTs is good for an open-raise CO. HJ is debatable. [/ QUOTE ] HJ is debatable? My god. I was just about to make a post in a different one of jason's threads that he is too tight/passive. (gonna go make that post now [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) 
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#2
12-20-2005, 03:38 AM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] little early to be raising QTs. [/ QUOTE ] well, maybe it's a little early for you, but i play probably play alot better than you after the flop... when you analyze a hand i post, remember to pretend you play effing good postflop. thx. [/ QUOTE ] Don't be a dick, Jason, you clearly don't play effing good postflop or else you wouldn't be posting so many hands here. You're too loose PF. We've seen it time and again. QTs is good for an open-raise CO. HJ is debatable. [/ QUOTE ] This is a pretty [censored] easy raise. It's not jason's fault you're a terrible poker player.
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#3
12-20-2005, 04:01 AM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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You're too loose PF. [/ QUOTE ] hahahahahahahahahaha. From what I hear that comment has to put a smile on jason's face. I'd c/c the flop and lead any turn that improves our hand, 3-bet a flush. Preflop is gravy.
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#5
12-20-2005, 03:52 PM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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Jason was being sarcastic. He is quoting a post from another poster [/ QUOTE ] Precisely. I'm glad someone finally caught the reference. I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] that poster.
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#6
12-20-2005, 02:43 PM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
curious, did you know/have a pretty good idea that the CO Donk would
call w/ a lot of hands here (like 10J, 88, 77, etc.?)...did you want him to call when you raised? Limping in is more correct. If you play better post flop, as you said, then you should be limping in for that very reason! Not raising! You committ yourself more to the pot w/ the raise pre-flop, and You want more donk calls in there pre flop...it's a multi-way hand, not a HU one. Unless you had a special read of the situation and wanted to get HU against the calling station donk. ...
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#7
12-20-2005, 04:07 PM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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curious, did you know/have a pretty good idea that the CO Donk would call w/ a lot of hands here (like 10J, 88, 77, etc.?)...did you want him to call when you raised? Limping in is more correct. If you play better post flop, as you said, then you should be limping in for that very reason! Not raising! You committ yourself more to the pot w/ the raise pre-flop, and You want more donk calls in there pre flop...it's a multi-way hand, not a HU one. Unless you had a special read of the situation and wanted to get HU against the calling station donk. ... [/ QUOTE ] In limit opening for a raise is almost always correct if your going to play. Normally Jason will have the added benefit of playing a 3 card hand. The two he has and the mythical ace. I'm not certain of raising QT's preflop here, but it's not criminal and QJo I'd certainly raise. On the flop check call. On the turn I like bet 3 bet if the guy likes to raise donks, bet call has merit though, the problem is that there is no way that I'm checking a river here so I can't bet call then check raise which I do to better players.
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#8
12-21-2005, 07:54 AM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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curious, did you know/have a pretty good idea that the CO Donk would call w/ a lot of hands here (like 10J, 88, 77, etc.?)...did you want him to call when you raised? Limping in is more correct. If you play better post flop, as you said, then you should be limping in for that very reason! Not raising! You committ yourself more to the pot w/ the raise pre-flop, and You want more donk calls in there pre flop...it's a multi-way hand, not a HU one. Unless you had a special read of the situation and wanted to get HU against the calling station donk. ... [/ QUOTE ] You open limp?
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#10
12-19-2005, 10:34 PM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
Key factors:
1. You're getting to the river here obviously. 2. About half of villain's range is probably made up of pairs that are overpairs to that board and kill many of your pair outs, and those hands are never folding. 3. Some of the time villain has an unpaired big card hand (AK, AQ). 4. Folding out the button's big card hand is not that valuable because of the presence of the cold-caller. Our Q high has little showdown value even against him and so the value of folding the three-bettor is basically just to clean up some pair outs some of the time. (We only get huge benefits by getting him to fold exactly AQ). The conclusion of all this is that I don't think there's much merit in a super-aggressive line here aimed at trying to buy outs or fold equity. For such a line to be valid, we need to parlay the fact that button does not have an overpair and the fact that this is the 1 out of 2 times where the donkey won't go to showdown. Since that's no good, getting aggressive here is just likely to cost bets as we're out of position. So I check-call the flop and check-call the turn.
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