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11-08-2005, 06:48 AM
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Re: Bubble hand with 10s on the button($55)
Yep. I push on the assumption that he will fold >50% of the time. Which would make me the new chipleader and able to bully bully bully.
Obviously if he open pushed this is an easy fold. 
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#2
11-08-2005, 07:13 AM
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Re: Bubble hand with 10s on the button($55)
just so im clear on this situation....a fold would be better than a call here...i understand that calling here just to fold to an undesirable flop would be very bad...but i just cant get over the fact i might have the best hand here a lot more than i dont.....
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#3
11-08-2005, 01:15 PM
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Re: Bubble hand with 10s on the button($55)
[ QUOTE ]
I'm not much of an ICM guy ... AND I've really been struggling with my bubble play recently [/ QUOTE ] These are directly related. I push here all day. I think this guy folds ALOT. You have a lot of chips, he's not going to have a wild calling range and I think he makes this open with a lot of hands. TT isn't completely terrible against his calling range either because he has AK almost as much as an overpair, maybe AQ in there if he sucks. Pushing > Folding > Calling IMO
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#5
11-08-2005, 01:26 PM
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Re: Bubble hand with 10s on the button($55)
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If he has AK or AQ, you definitely do not want him to call, this should be drummed into you by now. [/ QUOTE ] If you play scared of 32 total hand combos you will literally need to wait for AA or KK to push preflop, so are you saying that you should push on average once every 2 STTs (~1.9% of the time)? This is a big pair and hero is shortstacked. I don't see this as close but would love to see the math that says otherwise.
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#6
11-08-2005, 01:39 PM
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Re: Bubble hand with 10s on the button($55)
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[ QUOTE ] If he has AK or AQ, you definitely do not want him to call, this should be drummed into you by now. [/ QUOTE ] If you play scared of 32 total hand combos you will literally need to wait for AA or KK to push preflop, so are you saying that you should push on average once every 2 STTs (~1.9% of the time)? This is a big pair and hero is shortstacked. I don't see this as close but would love to see the math that says otherwise. [/ QUOTE ] Your logic blows.
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#7
11-08-2005, 01:44 PM
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Re: Bubble hand with 10s on the button($55)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If he has AK or AQ, you definitely do not want him to call, this should be drummed into you by now. [/ QUOTE ] If you play scared of 32 total hand combos you will literally need to wait for AA or KK to push preflop, so are you saying that you should push on average once every 2 STTs (~1.9% of the time)? This is a big pair and hero is shortstacked. I don't see this as close but would love to see the math that says otherwise. [/ QUOTE ] Your logic blows. [/ QUOTE ] While I'm always open to mature discussion, debate or even heated discussions I'd hope that it's at least constructive. Thanks for stating your opinion. Any reasons that you'd like to post for this and make it a real discussion instead of a 3rd grade schoolyard argument?
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#8
11-08-2005, 01:38 PM
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Re: Bubble hand with 10s on the button($55)
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If he has AK or AQ, you definitely do not want him to call, this should be drummed into you by now. [/ QUOTE ] Come on. You have to give me more credit than that. I'm talking about how we size up against his range if he calls. I never said we wanted him too.
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#9
11-08-2005, 01:51 PM
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Re: Bubble hand with 10s on the button($55)
I seldom post here, but I play lots of SNG's.
From my perspective I have to ask myself do I want to maximize my chances of winning or am I trying to make the money. Me personally I always play to come in first place. For me this is an easy push. You're playing four handed, the big stack raises and you have a premium hand. I think the likelyhood that he has an inferior hand is very great. Also nobody has pointed out how many times villian will call with a smaller pocket pair or Ace small kicker and hero doubles up. Plus by pushing we still do have quite a bit of fold equity. Bruce
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#10
11-08-2005, 01:58 PM
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Re: Bubble hand with 10s on the button($55)
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From my perspective I have to ask myself how do I maximize my ROI / hourly rate. [/ QUOTE ] Personal preference should have virtually nothing to do with this unless you get into some complex analysis of where your edges lie.
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