A very weird spot 10 20 party

[Rocaix]

Or he could be thinking, you're squeezing with some random hand and decide that by 3-betting he's going to represent a donkish AA or KK, and assumes you will fold everything other than AA or KK.

I played a very similar hand to this, where some LAG opens for 80, 5 callers. I raise pot with AKs from BB. Folds back to last caller, who shoves. I called and he had QT. Now that's not to say shoving in James282 is automatic, but I think that if he plays decent, his range in this situation is alot wider than just AA or KK.

[GameTheory]

I played the 10/20 Party game a few weeks ago. There were actually 2 hands where someone min raised to 40 MP, and I pop it to 140$ w/ AQ...<i>Both</i> times I was re-raised to around 400-500$, and I fold both times..and they showed KK both times.

The kids on Party 10/20 NL Lovee limping and min-raising overpairs.

Another hand that hit me big. I'm on button w/ 99, two limpers mp. I raise to 80. Flop KQ2 checked to me, I check. Turn 9. 1st pos. bets 240 into me, I call. River K. OG better bets 500, I raise to 1k. He calls.. He has QQ. ..... . In retrospect I think I should've just called, in fear of KQ. .

To sum--I think it is a fold for the same reason Foxwoods says..Don't let the donk think his play was brilliant lol--

Just to throw a number out there if he has AK and calls your push, it's 'only' about a $670 mistake pushing as opposed to folding

[AZK]

This has happened to me twice at party, a minraise a bunch of callers, I reraise out of the blind with AK, and the 2nd or 3rd caller comes over the top. Both times I was like wtf? resteal! Yeah, i got shown AA.

[punter11235]

Imo its easy fold. In my experience that's AA/KK very very often.

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he wouldn't repop a min-raise the first time around. Although I've seen big pairs played donkishly like this before

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Its not donkey play if it provokes you to shove preflop with crap hand.

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If you think he plays good, push. See if he sticks it all in w 99

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I think you are terribly wrong here. Good player is good player because he sometimes play in strange manner in that way that you cant predict that easily what he has. The more decent he is the more reasons to fold. This kind of reasoning is very narrow minded you (and poster who I quoted above) assume that good players play ABC and only use "approved" line with their AA/KK. The thing is that when pot is small in NL you can make many random looking cheap plays (like smothcalling with AA after 2ppl) if this can induce enormous errors (like shoving with AQ) later in the hand. Its not limit, missing value in small pots is not that bad.

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Just fold. I've stopped second guessing myself in these situations.

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Agreed.

[PickyTooth]

uhm I think you guys are forgetting that the first raiser was crap with like 80 vpip or something.Dont you think that with AA the 3 cold caller would make a raise to play a big pot vs him?

There's no way he has AA nor KK in this spot imo.
AK is an option tho

[Roman]

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uhm I think you guys are forgetting that the first raiser was crap with like 80 vpip or something.Dont you think that with AA the 3 cold caller would make a raise to play a big pot vs him?

There's no way he has AA nor KK in this spot imo.
AK is an option tho

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actually, the same logic could be used in the reverse.
UTG minraiser has almost any two, hes prolly not going to call a reraise... hmmm... I have AA, let me call and see if people behind me will try to steal all the dead money in the pot with a reraise. If its not reraised, I will play a small pot unless I flop a set.
This logic obviously has some merit if the pot is being reraised with AQo, and if AQo is considering putting in his whole stack here.

[lapoker17]

I'm looking at this as a poker hand, not as "what happens in the party 2k game", so if that game plays differently from all other poker, then I am wrong, but...

We are not looking at this hand in a vacuum. We are looking at EV. We are looking at what happens every time in your poker life when this move comes up.

So the guy is a good player - a 2p2 type of player. My question is - How many times have all of you 2p2 type players made a move like this w/ AA, KK, QQ, AK and how many times have you made a resteal move like this with another hand? I am a 2p2 type of player, and I have made a move like this far more often with a hand other than AA-QQ, AK than I have with a monster.

[THATWACOKID]

when i make this move i have AA/KK almost all of the time. i guess this would be a leak if my opponents were more observant, but they are not.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

fwiw i think this depends a lot on whether or not the donk's raises have been getteing reraised or not. i've actually done the whole overlimp thing with AA/KK.