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10-12-2005, 01:11 PM
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Re: 80/160 straight on the turn
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My thinking would be to do what I would do if I had the Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. So check-raise the turn. It would be really hard for him to call the cr without the Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or second nut. If he 3-bets, it's safe to fold, isn't it? If it's checked through, he might try a bluff on the river when checked to - so check-call the river in that case. If he only calls the check-raise on the turn, then I don't know what to do - I guess the pot is so big, you have to check-cry-call. [/ QUOTE ] This seems like the worst way to play the turn. You get the least money in the pot when your hand is best. You get teh most money in the pot when your hand is worst. Yah, this line is bad. 
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#2
10-12-2005, 01:24 PM
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Re: 80/160 straight on the turn
if he's not tricky, I like a bet. if you aren't sure you can fold to a raise then I like check-call down. you're in good shape against his range right now. unfortunately he always has plenty of outs. there are 9 unseen diamonds, and if he has none, he has 5.5 (9/2 diamonds + 2/2 queens) outs automatically.
the question now is what if he calls? I would probably bet again, as you're less of an underdog. checking there shows a lot of weakness and can let him take it away
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#3
10-12-2005, 06:00 PM
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Re: 80/160 straight on the turn
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if he's not tricky, I like a bet. if you aren't sure you can fold to a raise then I like check-call down. you're in good shape against his range right now. unfortunately he always has plenty of outs. there are 9 unseen diamonds, and if he has none, he has 5.5 (9/2 diamonds + 2/2 queens) outs automatically. [/ QUOTE ] sounds like vu would be very tricky, especially with cdcs read that vu is a good hand reader. since thats the case i agree with check-call down. but i also think betting and calling a raise down is a good line too. i wouldnt put bet/fold into there.
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#5
10-13-2005, 03:48 AM
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Re: 80/160 straight on the turn
Very good post CDC.
I bet the turn, see what happens. If he calls, I check-call the river. If he raises, I very likely muck. If he's a good hand reader and good player, then he has to know that wouldn't possibly get too fancy with with the royal even if you had it since you hope he would have say 99 or 88 with a diamond in his hand or possibly two pair. Either way a bet on the turn seems the way to go. Lawrence
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#6
10-13-2005, 06:56 AM
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River
this obviously was a very dangerous flop for me despite having top pair.
on this turn he could have one of many hands. we could be chopping. he could have a set. he could have two pair. of course he could also have a flush. i wasn't exactly sure what to do on this turn, and i wasn't quite sure what he'd do on this turn, but i bet. and he called in tempo. river: Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] um... ?
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#7
10-13-2005, 09:10 AM
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Re: River
Well since you bet the turn, you might as well bet the river. And as you do, say "ok we chop." If he raises you here I think you can safely fold, but its definately worth 1 more to take the whole pot. I'm guessing he had AQ no diamond too.
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#8
10-13-2005, 09:19 AM
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Re: River
He's not folded the turn so he's not folding the river, as the only uncertainty remaining is whether the flush is out there. I think you have to check/call. You'll surely get called by anyone decent (except "Frank") and any halfway reasonable diamond will raise you and you don't want that, do you, bobby?
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