Fischman flop a boat and bets it

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I'll occassionally make those plays to be sort of counter-intuitive, I think I would do that live more than online, because if I trap everytime I hit a monster it might kill the action on paired boards or be too suspicious.

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Agreed. I actually do it a lot at low stakes. I'm sure at higher stakes you should do it less frequently.

I also agree that this post sucks.

[SossMan]

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This might be the worst post ever.

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Why? Isn't this worth discussing? He didn't play it the way Doyle advised in "Super System".

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I don't understand everyone's harshness. I think that 90% of the players on here would check there. I think that as part of an overall strategy against an aggressive player, a bet there is pretty good. Why is everyone always bagging on betgo?

[DonButtons]

Betting > checking.

If you check, you pretty much always win a small pot.

If you bet, not only might he call with PPs and Ace high if he limps that?, but you might get someone try to bluff you thinking your weak because they share the same logic as the poster that you should check with a big hand in this spot.

[yvesaint]

oh man this is got me at the edge of my seat.... what happened next ????

[sirio11]

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you might get someone try to bluff you thinking your weak because they share the same logic as the poster that you should check with a big hand in this spot.

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So, you think a guy like Joe Cassidy thinks you should ckeck with a big hand?

To be honest, I think it's a better play to check. In the turn 2 things can happen:

A) Joe hits his pair.

- If Joe bets, he's calling your raise, and check-calling the river and you win a decent pot.

- If Joe checks, he's check-raising you and then if you call (or raise) and raise (or bet) the river, you also win a decent pot.

B) Joe does not hit

- He may bet trying to buy the pot, if you raise him, he may even reraise thinking you are in a resteal.

- If Joe checks and now you bet, he may raise you to resteal.


So, if Scott decides to play in the flop, basically there is only option B; but if he waits for the turn then he has options A and B. I think the turn and the river are enough to build a pot. It's not like they have 200 BB.


And like Soss, I don't understand the negativity towards the OP; what about some real arguments.

[Sam T.]

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And like Soss, I don't understand the negativity towards the OP; what about some real arguments.

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Agreed. And even if you have arguments, as Sirio's argument shows, it's not a "Do I fold AA pre-flop against two all-ins on the bubble?" question. Give the guy a break.

[betgo]

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I also agree that this post sucks.

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Wow, this post has attracted almost as much hostility and name calling as my theory of why it can be advantageous to stay in the red zone.

I didn't say Fischman's play was wrong. I just brought it up because it was unusual.

Does everyone think this is the worst post ever because it is obvious that betting out with a boat is a standard play?

I know everyone is against slow playing, but you slow play a boat for two reasons. It is almost impossible for anyone to draw out on you. It is almost impossible for anyone to have connected to the board. This is particularly true with a 772,r board that doesn't allow many draws.

Now I assume the reason Fischman was that it was adangerous board that it looked like no one had connected with. He hoped Cassidy would play back with nothing. He also may have thought a check might create the suspicion he had trips.

The result was that Cassidy folded.

Oviously he was hoping Cassidy had a stronger hand. It seems really sneaky to check there If you have the reputation of an aggressive player that would bet there without a hand (i dont know if this is the case with Fischman or what Cassidy thinks of him) but I think most times you get more chips by checking there regardless of how sneaky it looks.

Unless cassidy likes to re-raise or likes to play pocket pairs for cheap from the SB I would probably check..

I dont agree with a lot of the things in SuperSystem (Doyle's strategy works for Doyle, not necessarily anyone else..) but this is one I do agree with him. When you flop a boat you have the deck crippled, you really need to check and hope either hes going to try a steal or make a hand on the turn.

I would in fact check on the flop and on the turn, because most players cant resist 2 checks and are going to bet me.

[whiskeytown]

I'm a little stunned at how many 2+2'ers think this is a bad play.

I think Scott, with his aggressive style, would definately look suspicious if he didn't bet but kept in the hand. And by all means, keep your opponents guessing.

I can't believe how many people wanna slowplay this. By all means, if your table image is a tight passive rock, then do this....

but if you're image is a predator, then it looks unnatural if you aren't firing away in there...

wow....some folks on the forum have a lot to learn.

RB