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#13
05-29-2005, 03:30 PM
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Re: Results
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I'd drop that hand in a heartbeat. [/ QUOTE ] I definately overestimated my opponents ability to fold middle PP's when I thought about raising this hand. Fortunately I followed my gut feeling and just folded [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] 
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#14
05-29-2005, 03:38 PM
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Re: Quack Quack
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SB: 25/9/2 Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls. Standard. Flop: (15 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero... Raise? [/ QUOTE ] A read on the SB is mostly irrelevant. Im much more interested in a read on MP1, cause if he isnt raising behind me, im calling one here. peace john nickle
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#15
05-29-2005, 05:22 PM
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Re: Quack Quack
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A read on the SB is mostly irrelevant. Im much more interested in a read on MP1, cause if he isnt raising behind me, im calling one here. [/ QUOTE ] A read on SB is far from irrelevant, but I can definately see your the point in having a read on MP1, and the rest of the field as well. If I believe I might fold the rest of the players a raise is much better than a call, but looking at preflop I don't think I'll fold them very often here.
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#16
05-29-2005, 05:43 PM
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Re: Quack Quack
Fold it.
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#17
05-29-2005, 06:09 PM
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Re: Quack Quack
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Fold it. [/ QUOTE ] nate, what if you suspect its not getting raised behing you? Getting 18/19:1 on a 22.5:1 shot when the bets are about to double and you know at least one person likes their hand seems to be enough to push this to a call for me. I am crazy however. peace john nickle
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#18
05-30-2005, 03:12 AM
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Re: Quack Quack
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[ QUOTE ] Fold it. [/ QUOTE ] nate, what if you suspect its not getting raised behing you? Getting 18/19:1 on a 22.5:1 shot when the bets are about to double and you know at least one person likes their hand seems to be enough to push this to a call for me. I am crazy however. peace john nickle [/ QUOTE ] If you were somehow guaranteed that it wouldn't be raised behind you, then surely it would be profitable to continue with your hand (probably for a raise rather than a call). Problem, of course, is that it will be raised behind you pretty often.
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#19
05-30-2005, 04:44 AM
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Re: Quack Quack
I think I'm missing something fundamental: Why call two cold PF when you're getting only getting 4:1 (isn't the chance of flopping a set around twice that?), are stuck between two PF raisers after this round, and will be worried about just about every other card in the deck by the river?
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#20
05-30-2005, 06:13 AM
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Re: Quack Quack
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I think I'm missing something fundamental: Why call two cold PF when you're getting only getting 4:1 (isn't the chance of flopping a set around twice that?), are stuck between two PF raisers after this round, and will be worried about just about every other card in the deck by the river? [/ QUOTE ] I'm in BB so they're not cold. I get 4.5:1 immediately on the call. The chances of the players already invested in the pot will come along is big, which would give 6.5:1. Yhe odds against spiking a set is 1:7.5, but the implied oods in this situation is terrific. In general I've used the rule I need to get 5:1 to call 2 bets with a PP preflop, but even that seems to be a little too tight. This is an easy call howerver.
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