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07-13-2005, 11:41 PM
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Re: Calling based on username of villain!
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This is a clear call regardless of reads. I guess if you read them to be unbeleivably tight you can fold, but okay its really impossible to get such a read with any accuracy. I would never fold here. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a mistake in the 33s and below without a read. Many fish do not understand the push with any two concept. 
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07-14-2005, 01:06 AM
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Re: Calling based on username of villain!
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Ok but he has 4x the Bb, you are getting a great price. I think most people will be pushing with hands like J9o, but I could be wrong. [/ QUOTE ] Nah, most people won't be pushing with J9o. This is the reverse gap concept that Bones and I discussed last night: To the average low-limit SNGer, you need a better hand to open push than you do to call an all-in. So someone may not push with that J9o, but they'd call an all-in with it with the quickness.
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#6
07-13-2005, 11:55 PM
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Re: Calling based on username of villain!
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[ QUOTE ] This is a clear call regardless of reads. I guess if you read them to be unbeleivably tight you can fold, but okay its really impossible to get such a read with any accuracy. I would never fold here. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a mistake in the 33s and below without a read. Many fish do not understand the push with any two concept. [/ QUOTE ] OP has explained pretty clearly this guy is not a fish. I would call...1300 chips is plenty to get ITM...you might have to push a little more than usual but no problemo. For all your chips this is a definite fold though.
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#7
07-14-2005, 12:01 AM
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Re: Calling based on username of villain!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This is a clear call regardless of reads. I guess if you read them to be unbeleivably tight you can fold, but okay its really impossible to get such a read with any accuracy. I would never fold here. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a mistake in the 33s and below without a read. Many fish do not understand the push with any two concept. [/ QUOTE ] OP has explained pretty clearly this guy is not a fish. I would call...1300 chips is plenty to get ITM...you might have to push a little more than usual but no problemo. For all your chips this is a definite fold though. [/ QUOTE ] the only way this call is clearly correct is if you can accurately assess that villain will push any two in this situation. very few players (even 2+2ers) that play at the 22s know to do this.
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#8
07-14-2005, 12:04 AM
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Re: Calling based on username of villain!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This is a clear call regardless of reads. I guess if you read them to be unbeleivably tight you can fold, but okay its really impossible to get such a read with any accuracy. I would never fold here. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a mistake in the 33s and below without a read. Many fish do not understand the push with any two concept. [/ QUOTE ] OP has explained pretty clearly this guy is not a fish. I would call...1300 chips is plenty to get ITM...you might have to push a little more than usual but no problemo. For all your chips this is a definite fold though. [/ QUOTE ] the only way this call is clearly correct is if you can accurately assess that villain will push any two in this situation. very few players (even 2+2ers) that play at the 22s know to do this. [/ QUOTE ] Let me rephrase. The OP has made it clear this guy is a 2+2er. 2+2ers know to push any two in this situation. Based on the original question (should I consider this guy 2+2 from his name), a call seems fine here.
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#9
07-14-2005, 11:14 AM
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Re: Calling based on username of villain!
So you're the spitecaller that sucked out on my suckout.
I'm wondering why this is a clear fold for me (As the SB) Pushing the next hand with 2 more behind me including the monster stack doesn't seem too appealing. Taking a hit from the blind puts me to 435 and then Sabrazack get's odd to call with blank cards. I've only got 100 or so 22s under my belt this week (just started) enlighten me?
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#10
07-14-2005, 03:29 PM
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Re: Calling based on username of villain!
mike there is someone else with a short stack. There is not a constant onus on you to steal chips, itd be nice, but your opponent has to make a move to. It's extremely important to get 3rd place and you should do everything possible to make this as likely as possible. This doesnt always mean just going allin with any 2 the first chance you get. It sometimes means folding and giving yourself almost no fold equity and simply hoping to outlast the other player. Note that I don't think your push from the SB is terrible against a typical partypoker player, but it's important not to have so much fear of being shortstacked, as it happens sometimes. If you start showing reckless aggression while your opponent sits tight, you could easily make yourself a much larger underdog to get 3rd place.
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