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[Nick B.]

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Irieguy

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I agree with what you wrote.

[Nick B.]

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Sponger

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If you aren't a winning ring game player, don't play more hands to start with, cause I think you can win by using the "2+2 sng strategy". I just don't think people should think that is the only way to play.

[lastchance]

When big stack has less than 20x BB, I really don't see how standard ring game play would be profitable at all. I don't see standard ring game play becoming profitable on the bubble either.

But L1-L3, I really would like to have actual postflop skills.

[raptor517]

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this is exactly how i feel, i bust out 7-10th about 27% of the time and 10th now about 6% of the time and i dont consider it a leak.

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whats yer sample size, level played, and percentage breakdown of your statistics? holla

[microbet]

Play in SNGs is affected by the payout, but to a much larger degree it is affected by how short the stacks are (on Party) and the variety in the number of players at the table.

If you are a good ring game player and able to adjust to any blinds/stacks/number of players at the table, you will have incorporated most of the SNG strategy anyway.

[freemoney]

i didnt track my first 400 or so i was up not sure how much, i now have 488 with SnG tracker but almost 1/4th to 1/3rd of the ones i play arent picked up not sure why, but my break down is 31% ROI, 41% ITM.

1- 16%
2- 13%
3- 12%
4- 8.5%
5- 7.5%
6- 12%
7- 10%
8- 9%
9- 6%
10- 7%

i just eyeballed these off the chart from SnG tracker so they might not equal exactly 100% but thats a close estimate.

[codewarrior]

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It occured to me that the main distinguishing factor between my SNG play and my ring game play is that almost all of my SNG decisions are based on my cards:

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Hmm. Almost all my decisions in both SnG's and ring games are based on your cards, too!

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

[lacky]

eh, yah, you left off the level of play. The $11's are far different than the $109's, so where you play is an important part of how a stratagy performs. You should include that so people know what pond you are swimming in.

Steve

[TheUsher]

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Here is a quote from a full tilt prolesson which I think applies to this forum.

"How much of a difference is there between ring game strategy and tournament strategy?

The answer: Not as much as you think.

Before you worry about adjusting for tournaments, concentrate on adjusting for the other players. The most important skill in poker is the ability to react to a wide range of opponents playing a wide range of styles. Players who can do this will thrive in both ring games and tournaments alike.

Many of the most costly tournament mistakes are the result of players over-adjusting for tournament play. "

I think that most of this forum has a "sng strategy" instead of just playing the game. I think that when I am playing bad, I think it is because I am getting into the habit of trying to figure out a sng strategy, such as tightening up early, instead of just playing poker. If you are a winning player in ring games, you should be trying to play as many hands as possible. You can certainly make money in sngs by playing as an 8 vpip in the first three levels, but I think you can make more by playing what you would in a regular ring game.

I have some more thoughts, but suck at typing them out, so I guess I will end here.

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Funny thing is me and Nick B. play together constantly, have pretty opposite styles but yet still both win at a nice enough clip. I admit that I am playing a few more hands early that I didn't use to before but I still don't feel that it would change my whole game dramatically to have a much higher ROI.

Another way of really making money is fully adjusting to all the players shorthanded to maximize your earnings there. All those +EV pushes/calls, etc add up if you're good enough to spot them. An additional side benefit of this is busting out fellow 2+2'ers SH and telling them you made an +EV call. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Right curtains? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[treeofwisdom7]

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When big stack has less than 20x BB, I really don't see how standard ring game play would be profitable at all. I don't see standard ring game play becoming profitable on the bubble either.

But L1-L3, I really would like to have actual postflop skills.

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do you play ring games?

cuz i have no idea how to play them correct? if you can even say ring games can be played correct