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Re: AQs UTG, makes TP on a board with draws
I don't think the CO is the one we have to worry about. UTG+1 was passive PF and on the flop. When he wakes up on the turn and bets into the flop raiser with a 3-flush on board, we should be concerned.
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Re: AQs UTG, makes TP on a board with draws
Hey,
Good post. The question I have on this play is not the 3 bet issue...though I would. Rather, it is the fold issue. Can we honestly say that we are MORE THAN ~89% SURE that we are beaten on the turn or MORE THAN ~91% SURE that we are beaten on the river? Yes, there is no question that UTG+1 waking up is worrisome, but to that level? I also agree that CO is just most likely not a factor. At this level of play, there are just too many people who play the turn and river incorrectly that I have to believe we are going to win this hand more than 1 in ~10 times. I think we have to at least check / call it down here. Hight blood sugar gets you in 20 years, low blood sugar gets you today. Fammy |
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Re: AQs UTG, makes TP on a board with draws
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Hight blood sugar gets you in 20 years, low blood sugar gets you today. Fammy [/ QUOTE ] you really are intending to type this out after every post arent you.... anyway, to the point: vil having a set is no better than vil having a flush draw, either way we are outless. (altho i think vil comes to life with a set on the flop) regardless, against 2P we have hidden outs. against Qx, Asx, Ksx, 9T, JsJ and TsT we are well ahead. there is no way we can be that sure to fold the turn. |
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Re: AQs UTG, makes TP on a board with draws
I think 3 bets on flop are obligatory.
First of all you may force to fold different gutghot draws, middle pairs and backdoor flush draws, you also may force to fold hands which include K. At second, when you just call CO raise, UTG+1 and MP1 have 1:15.5 to call, so they are right to call with any imaginable hand including 54 and 22s, when they are right, that means you are wrong. You should RAISE getting them 1:8 in which case they are not getting sufficient odds for hands such as Q2, 89, KT, etc. |
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Re: AQs UTG, makes TP on a board with draws - results
Going to post the results here, I know they don't matter in regards to how I played the hand.
CO had Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG+1 had 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] |
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