How should I have played this differently?

What is your read on your opp?

Assuming unknown, you've gotta bet that turn after the c/r on flop.

After that, call a raise, and then play it the same.

[peterchi]

I like the flop c/r.

Definitely lead this turn afterwards. If you weren't already behind, you certainly aren't now.

Since you check-called the turn, it's more difficult to know whether the river 3-bet is okay. I'd 3-bet the river if you led the turn and he didn't raise you then.

[Piiop]

First of all, reads would be nice.

After everyone folds to UTG's flop bet, I'm not really sure a checkraise is the best play here. I realize the BB is still in there but it's not really a big deal. I would consider calling the flop and betting out on the turn.

Your turn play is inconsistent with your flop checkraise. If you thought you were ahead enough of the time to checkraise the flop then you should bet out again. You're missing value from worse 8's and lower pocket pairs. Also, if UTG happens to be capable of folding TT/99, he won't do it if you check. I'd bet the turn.

River is fine considering the weird way you played it.

[Dagger78]

I like the flop check-raise, typical UTG players will bet a variety of hands that don't contain a king here.

But you MUST bet the turn after the flop check-raise, you want to fold some pairs, 99-JJ might fold in this case.

The River is fine.

[W. Deranged]

Bet the turn.

Getting raised does suck if you are drawing but there are a ton of things that outweigh that extra cost:

-You may have the best hand, and if you were ahead on the flop you are most certainly still ahead here.

-You may encourage a hand like 99 or TT to fold (that would be awesome).

[GTSamIAm]

You need reads on UTG badly. Why'd you check/raise then check?

[thejameser]

you know what you should have done on the turn, but damn villain is begging for a c/r. i would have taken mental note of this for later hands.

[DiceyPlay]

The only read I have on this opponent is that I've seen him play a couple of hands in a non-straightforward manner (i.e betting or raising and then folding). But, truthfully the games are so loose and there are so many players going to the flop and beyond that it's hard get reliable reads or remember them.

On top of that, I have two computers. One of them has PT and game time +. I use that computer with PT and GT+ when I multi-table. My other computer doesn't have these tools and I don't multi-table on it. Multi-table+PT+GT+ = WORK. Single table = RELAXATION. I already have a job that is stressful enough. I was single-tabling without PT or GT+. So, I was playing without maximizing my ability to read my opponents.

I have A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Flop: (6 SB) K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)

I checked the flop to see what would develop. UTG's bet is suspect. Why would he bet if he had a K? Does he hate money? Does he hate bad beats? Does he have a K and think someone in the field will think he's full of sh*t and pay him off? Do I think too much? When it's folded to me I decide to raise. I think a check-raise is typical of an early position player who flops trips. I should take it down right there unless he has a K. He calls. WTF? No re-raise? Does he have a K or not? I don't know what that means. He's being a tricky bastard. I must change plan. I don't have a plan for this (that's probably why I suck at poker).


Turn: (5 BB) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

My draw improves. I don't want to get raised because my weak ass will probably fold if I do. So I check/call.

River: (7 BB) Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

I bet and get raised. I remember what another poster pm'd me once. He said you have to get the most with your good hands. He sometimes value bets a bad ace and gets caught. So I re-raise. I'm relieved when he only calls.

He had A8o. MHIG.

When I look backwards on the hand I think there's lots of good things that can be said about my line. But they might only be true if and when I hit my draw. When he calls my flop raise, I think I should go into call down mode. A better hand isn't folding enough times to make a bet worthwhile. But a worse hand will continue to bet enough times to make calling down +ev. If I improve, which I did, I can come back to life and pounce. All input is appreciated.

Thanks,

-DP

[sean c]

Folding to a turn raise would have been really bad.

[onegymrat]

Hi Dicey,

I am not liking your flop check-raise at all. It seems to serve two purposes only: a) to narrow the field, but there was a bet in EP instead of LP, which spoils the plan a bit. b) to raise for value, but you checked the turn.

I would have undoubtedly check-called the flop only. If BB called the flop, I would attempt a check-raise on the turn if the [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]came, which it did. If BB did not call the flop, I would lead the turn and call a raise, and bet the river of course. I read the results and your river play was great.

But then again, I don't play online. What the hell do I know?!