Modern arguments for communism?

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The quality of life in North Korea and Cuba is very appealing.

[theweatherman]

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The quality of life in North Korea and Cuba is very appealing.

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Very true, good thing neither have anything to do with communsim.

[jman220]

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Is communism possible or just a pipe nightmare?

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Lots of things are possible. It does not make them right.

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Like making useless responses!

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You're entitled to your opinion, but I didn't think it was useless. Are there legitimate arguments for communism? I don't think so, but the original question in the thread title was much more interesting than whether it's possible. I think whether it's possible or not is much less interesting than whether it should even be considered. However, the op seemed somewhat confused as to which question he was asking.

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Are you jakethebake? What happenned to your account?

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Of course there are legitimate arguments for communism, true egalitarianism is a pretty perssuasive one to me.

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So what are they?

[theweatherman]

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Of course there are legitimate arguments for communism, true egalitarianism is a pretty perssuasive one to me.

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So what are they?

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true egalitarianism is a pretty perssuasive one to me.

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Of course there are legitimate arguments for communism, true egalitarianism is a pretty perssuasive one to me.

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So what are they?

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true egalitarianism is a pretty perssuasive one to me.

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That statement alone does not constitute an argument. Tell me why?

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Am I the only one who thinks Pipe Nightmare would be a great band name or album title?

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why is universal egalitarianism good?

Well everyone would have an equal chance at life, not the skewed system of the rich staying rich and the poor staying poor. This is one of the best parts of communism in my opinion.

education for all, health care for all, a real chance at a decent life for all. This is miles above the capitalist system of education for the rich, health care for the rich, a great lifefor the rich, all bulit on the backs of the poor.

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They would argue that communism as practised in the USSR and elsewhere was never proper communism in the way that Marx describes it. Russia was not an industrialised nation and was still semi feudal. It was therefore not at the right stage of history to be able to make a move to communism. Developed industrialised nations were the likely candidates in Marx's theories. Of course the welfare state put any chance of that happening on hold because it gave something back to the prole's. Marx was also unaware of the effect gloabisation would have in sustaining the capitalist model and communism couldn't compete against states that embraced gloablisation and free trade. Those are just a few thoughts on it. To fully understand why it may have been a failure you'd need to read up on Marx and other alternative communist theorists.
I would support communism if I felt it was atainable. It suffers to much from being too utopian. It is also not possible at present to have a global revolution (another thing Marx thought neccessary). In Russia this model was ignored believing single state communism could flourish.
Small scale and communal communism is possible if you reduce the standard of living and find a niche that is self sustainable, but the world the way it is makes this unlikely to ever develop to anything more.

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So, basically, your contention is that communism is conducive to a subsistence environment, but not a competitive one, or am I misreading?

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why is universal egalitarianism good?

Well everyone would have an equal chance at life, not the skewed system of the rich staying rich and the poor staying poor. This is one of the best parts of communism in my opinion.

education for all, health care for all, a real chance at a decent life for all. This is miles above the capitalist system of education for the rich, health care for the rich, a great lifefor the rich, all bulit on the backs of the poor.

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So mediocrity for all w/o incentive to excel is good?