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11-26-2005, 11:00 PM
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Re: QQ - Folding the flop
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while we're on big pairs folding the flop - how's this? i really don't know these guys. neither have been at the table long at all. Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. Flop: (12.5 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, i fold at what will be 22.5:2. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not folding that. 
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#2
11-27-2005, 02:02 AM
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Re: QQ - Folding the flop
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[ QUOTE ] while we're on big pairs folding the flop - how's this? i really don't know these guys. neither have been at the table long at all. Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. Flop: (12.5 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, i fold at what will be 22.5:2. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not folding that. [/ QUOTE ] I dunno, BB check-raising probably means JT. Not sure what UTG has here, but it could be aces, could be AK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I'm not saying I particularly love this fold, but it's definitely not bad.
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#3
11-27-2005, 02:16 AM
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Re: QQ - Folding the flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] while we're on big pairs folding the flop - how's this? i really don't know these guys. neither have been at the table long at all. Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. Flop: (12.5 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, i fold at what will be 22.5:2. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not folding that. [/ QUOTE ] I dunno, BB check-raising probably means JT. Not sure what UTG has here, but it could be aces, could be AK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I'm not saying I particularly love this fold, but it's definitely not bad. [/ QUOTE ] I think the fold is bad. It could be one of the hands you mentioned, but it could also be A9s, TT, JJ, QQ, Ah7h, AhTh, AhJh, AhQh.
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#4
11-27-2005, 03:07 AM
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Re: QQ - Folding the flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] while we're on big pairs folding the flop - how's this? i really don't know these guys. neither have been at the table long at all. Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. Flop: (12.5 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, i fold at what will be 22.5:2. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not folding that. [/ QUOTE ] I dunno, BB check-raising probably means JT. Not sure what UTG has here, but it could be aces, could be AK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I'm not saying I particularly love this fold, but it's definitely not bad. [/ QUOTE ] If you're OOP here, I could see a fold. However, you get to see the action before it gets to you on the turn. BB could easily have a 9 here and UTG could be capping QQ-TT.
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#5
11-27-2005, 04:24 AM
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Re: QQ - Folding the flop
nah, bb doesn't easily have a 9 here. it's actually really rare that he has just a single pair (QQ/JJ/TT are really the most likely pair hands for him). most likely he has JT/99/88/77 or two pair. in this hand the turn was a Q and the river a K. he showed 65. the capper had JJ. i wasn't nearly as worried about the capper as i was the 3-bettor - he just made my odds worse to continue.
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#6
11-26-2005, 10:40 PM
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Re: QQ - Folding the flop
If you were in villain's spot with pocket Js or worse, wouldn't you occasionally be tempted to try to win the pot by firing a bet on the flop?
This is a hard spot against an unknown, and you're probably behind. But I think you should recognize that it is possible you're actually ahead in the hand.
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