I Slowplayed

[colgin]

I think you played this just fine although capping the flop when it comes back to you would also be good. Nice hand. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[DonWaade]

As a rule, I dont usually like to slowplay flopped sets UNLESS it is top set. Then I think you have to slowplay them. Good play. I think it is good, despite the protests from other posters, that you did not cap the flop. IMO it gave you more action on the big streets.

[Dylan Wade]

Implied odds my friend. The advantage of loose callers here isn't so much their contribution to the pot Pre-flop, but also the big bets they will put in on the later streets. Let's not forget that 77 has a lot more equity here than 10% if UTG,UTG+1 can be put on a wide range of hands. Consider the flops where there are no paint cards, 77 will also often have high value here...

Now if we're looking at two tight limpers and a bunch of tight players behind, the call isn't as pretty. In that situation our 77 might be dominated, killing our pot equity... and we can't count on loose implied odds.

But we're playing Small stakes Party poker after all, and 77 if we give our opponents too much credit, we'll be leaving money at the table..

[Dylan Wade]

I think he should play 55 and 22 the same. Although generally top set is nice, I think the coordination (or lack thereof) of this flop is more appealing. Nobody has a piece of this board. Anyone who's betting at is is certainly behind trip 2s. Most likely, we're looking at an overpair vs some overcards.

[bdk3clash]

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This hand reminds me of so many players slow playing and then crying when one of his opponents winds up with a pair of kings or jacks in their hand.
Therefore, 3 bet, get as many of them out of this pot as you can.

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Right, because, like, a 3-bet here is somehow going to magically make overpairs like KK and JJ fold...

They've got two outs (maybe). Let 'em stick around for the turn. If they hit a higher set, they hit a higher set. There's nothing you can do to make them fold this flop.

[tripdad]

gambler,

he has the stone cold nuts on the flop. why wouldn't he want as many callers as possible? i would be tickled for JJ or KK to call down.

having said that, i would have gone ahead and capped...the other two would probably have not even noticed.

as for the preflop call, it could go either way. you usually have enough people in to see the flop to call one raise, and actually, your call will subsequently encourage others to call with smaller pocket pairs or even suited connectors, as they will now be getting odds to do so.

cheers!

[Homer]

I might cap the flop, depending on how likely it is that UTG+1 will check-raise or lead bet the turn with an overpair. If capping will cause UTG+1 to check-call the turn and river, then I like the way you played it. Either way I don't three-bet the flop.

-- Homer

[sthief09]

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This hand reminds me of so many players slow playing and then crying when one of his opponents winds up with a pair of kings or jacks in their hand.
Therefore, 3 bet, get as many of them out of this pot as you can.

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are you implying that with a flop of 752 or whatever it was, KK or JJ is going to fold?

this is a perfect example of why setting rules is bad. if you say "I'll never slowplay" then you simply blind yourself to the situations where this is a good play. in TOP sklansky writes that a flopped set is sometimes a good time to slowplay. this is one of those situations. if he loses it WILL NOT be because he chose to call 2 bets cold on the flop rather than 3-betting

thinking is important in poker. too many people give up the idea of thinking and just make stupid little rules for which they can follow, like a blind dog. rules are fine if you're going to play 1 cent/2 cent your entire life, but if you want to move up, like most of us do, you need to look at each hand as something different. set = always play fast will cost you money

[Gravy (Gravy Smoothie)]

I think Max picked a good spot to slowplay here. However, I think if the flop comes two-tone, he should 3-bet it. I try not to screw around with my sets when they're at all vulnerable.

[el_grande]

Well played. I like that you didn't cap the flop. No reason for them to be alerted to your presence for another 3 bucks. Because of your passiveness you were able to raise the turn AND river. How often do you get to do that?

wait a sec... did he have KK? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

I don't see anyone questioning the river raise. Who bets out after calling a raise on the turn unless the river gave them something huge... The guy raised PF. Do you think he did that with KJ? Wishful thinking...