What is the lowest limit with sophisticated strategy?

[Joe Tall]

[ QUOTE ]
I would say 20/40 is likely the limit where you start seeing games that are not occupied primarly by morons.

[/ QUOTE ]

That why you play the 15/30, primarily right?

Peace,
Joe Tall

[Vehn]

Hah I play 30/60 now at the card barn, I permanently* moved up maybe 3 months ago. I now play against somewhat smarter and richer morons. I still play 15/30 online though, but the problem there is the morons have to figure out how to turn paper money into "e-Money", and they need a basic understanding of off/on switches, a mouse, and electricity, all while juggling keeping their heart beating and expanding and collapsing their lungs.

* Until I go broke, obviously.

[shmoe]

Thank you rowboat.. That was a very informative answer.

To those calling this logic flawed: 1)Annie Duke, after busting out of the WPT classic about a few months ago sat 3-6 against my friend because the tables had 2 hour waiting lists. She would not stop bitching about the play and couldn't seem to win.
2) 2 friends go to foxwoods.. Equal level of skill, but one has a bankroll and the other does not. One guy sits 15-30, the other sits 2-4. Well, after eight hours one guy was up six fifty and the other guy was down a hundred fifty. Four callers in every showdown.
I could be wrong. This could have been a fluke. But all card players know that the only way to really learn a lesson is to lose money. Hopefully some of you profit in my quest for knowledge.

[David Steele]

It is not the bad players that are the problem, it is the rake makes the low-limit games hard to beat. You want lots of bad players at any limit.

Based on what you have written, I would guess you don't have a chance at any limit but if you are ready to start figuring it out and have a little money then 6-12 would be as high as I would go.

D.

[ACPlayer]

Could I recommend that you come play 10-20 to 20-40 here in AC? Let me know when you are coming please. I cant wait to meet a sophisticated strategy player playing in a B/M game for the first time.

[Mike Gallo]

Ok, I reread your question. I see many non thinking players sitting in the $10-$20 games at the Taj and the Borgata.

I do not see too many sitting $20-$40 or above. However the Borgata in AC doesnt spread anything higher than $20-$40. The Taj often does, however I do not play there as frequently.

[ZeeJustin]

This post was made for people like you:
READ ME

[ike]

LOL, you play against people who can simultaneously beat their hearts and breathe? What a bad beat, all the 3-6 players have to alternate between the two.

[Joe Tall]

That's cool Vehn.

You know what I meant by my reply. You like the morons as much as I do. I wish Fox spread a 15/30, as I'm ready for it, but not quite ready for the 20/40. The 20/40 there is the highest 'average' game that runs. Yes, there are bigger games when availible but they usually just skip up to 50/100+ and those games are very frequently mixed HOE games.

So that leaves all the top players stuck under the roof at 20/40 Hold'em. However, I'm seeing opponents that I used to run over in the 5/10Kill and 10/20 now playing the 20/40, and I can't believe it. They must have the mentality of cs.purchase here. I can't wait to move up.

Peace Vehn,
Joe Tall

[shmoe]

It's tough attempting to write this and browse internet porn at the same time.
5/10 Atlantic City, weekend game is where I'll start. Thank you for all of your comments. They were very helpful. And to Mr. Steele, and Joe Tall... I din't meen to offend you.
You are obviously professional poker players too busy winning large stake tournaments all over the country to waste time talking $#@T to little old me. DIdn't mean to waste your time.

See you on television!
Whee!!!!!!!