River ...

[krishanleong]

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It can't bet that bad. (I hope) If you bet this flop w/nothing (which you should) then it can't be that bad to slowplay trips since you expect both players to fold a significant amount of the time.

Krishan

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But doesn't slowplaying here negate your ability (to a degree) of being able to take this down with nothing on the flop in future hands?

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There is no shania. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] These guys are monkeys.

Krishan

[krishanleong]

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i don't expect both players to fold a significant amount of time which is why i dont bet this flop with nothing very often

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Then I agree I bet the flop. Can we just say it's a shania difference? And what do you think about the river?

Krishan

[tansoku]

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There is no shania. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] These guys are monkeys.
Krishan

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I Bet the river. You already got a turn call from a worse hand. No reads = No sexy.
If these guys are monkey's, I bet every street because I figure they'll call incorrectly more often then they'll fold correctly.

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I pretty much always bet this flop, unless button is a habitual open limper who usually bets when checked too.

And yeah, I fire away on the river. I think he checks behind with hands he will call a bet with often.

[Spicymoose]

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Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (1.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, SB folds.

River: (3.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks...

All we know about Villian is he checked the flop and called the turn.

Krishan

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I really don't get your river decision at all. You are trying to get someone to bet on the river after:
1) limping the button against a somewhat tight blind
2) checked the flop even though noone showed any interest on a board that is hard to connect to
3) only called the turn
4) you have said is a monkey, and seems extremely passive

Even if you do manage to get him to bet the river, he may fold to your check raise. Why not just value bet the damn thing?

Oh, and I like a flop bet. If your reasoning for not betting the flop is that they will fold often, then what about the fact that they will fold often on the turn as well with the hands they would have folded on the flop? Sure you have about a 25% someone will connect, but I would rather get that bet in on the flop, and then have them connect and continue calling. Lastly, if you bet, you get the chance to go to war with someone who really likes the turn card. If you slowplay, then go nuts, they will probably realize you have the 4, but if you bet the flop, they are less likely to believe it.

[krishanleong]

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Why not just value bet the damn thing?

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I did bet the river.

Krishan

[krishanleong]

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2) checked the flop even though noone showed any interest on a board that is hard to connect to
3) only called the turn

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Basically we have a person who chooses not to bet the flop. and then he chooses to call the turn. We can probably assume he does not have a piece on the flop, but has a piece on the turn. That piece might only be ace high (will it call a bet on the river?... maybe) or a Q. Against a Q if we check, Villian will nearly always value bet allowing us to cr. He will also call. Just some thoughts I had after I played the hand.

Krishan

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or 2 hearts

[brazilio]

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2) checked the flop even though noone showed any interest on a board that is hard to connect to
3) only called the turn

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Basically we have a person who chooses not to bet the flop. and then he chooses to call the turn. We can probably assume he does not have a piece on the flop, but has a piece on the turn. That piece might only be ace high (will it call a bet on the river?... maybe) or a Q. Against a Q if we check, Villian will nearly always value bet allowing us to cr. He will also call. Just some thoughts I had after I played the hand.

Krishan

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For those reasons I've done similar, although in any examples of mine I generally have a piece on the flop like a weak pair that also suits the board and I get called, and the river gives me trips. My reasoning is that a flush draw may put me on a flush draw as well and try to steal it away from me, and other mid pairs will also put me on a flush draw and value bet it. Somebody tell me if this is wrong or lame FPS or something.

[krishanleong]

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or 2 hearts

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absolutely.

Krishan