a DERB hand

[sthief09]

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right but that river call there is clearly -EV once derb bets and gets raised. the play then would be check-call, not bet-call. that's not a bet-call hand or board.

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the only problem is that he played his hand in a way that suggests he has nothing. his opponent can only put him on A7 or nothing pretty much. he 3-bet preflop then check-called twice. that is very weak. then he donks on the river. it's almost like he's inviting a bluff raise

[bxpeter]

Yeah, i'm saying that the reason why he would make seemingly retarded calls in other hands is so that he can play hands this way and safely bet-fold this river.

[tongni]

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im pretty sure derb calls a river raise right? and that's why he's a donk and will be broke soon. if you all say he'll bet fold that river then im wrong and he's a genius. but in that one street lies the answer. that flop check could be hints of genius. talk about unreadable.

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I really don't think he gets raised very often on the river at all, and if he does he should probably pay off. When hands are played strangely often times weird things happen and of all rivers this is one of the most "bluffable" but one that probably didn't improve his opponents hand. If I got to the river in this fashion I would probably pay it off as well.

[bxpeter]

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right but that river call there is clearly -EV once derb bets and gets raised. the play then would be check-call, not bet-call. that's not a bet-call hand or board.

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the only problem is that he played his hand in a way that suggests he has nothing. his opponent can only put him on A7 or nothing pretty much. he 3-bet preflop then check-called twice. that is very weak. then he donks on the river. it's almost like he's inviting a bluff raise

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exactly, except that newhizzle won't bluff raise him because he is positive derb is calling with any pair (and I am assuming derb knows this)

[Lestat]

This is a common bet I see all the time on Party. The idea behind such a bet is that the scary board insures a bet for value won't get raised. FWIW- I often raise the river when faced with these bets for exactly this reason.

In DERB's case it is a pretty good two-way bet. Since he can have anything he's not likely to get raised, but will also get curiousity calls by worse hands.

I wonder what he does if raised? I'll bet he pays off.

[newhizzle]

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right but that river call there is clearly -EV once derb bets and gets raised. the play then would be check-call, not bet-call. that's not a bet-call hand or board.

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the only problem is that he played his hand in a way that suggests he has nothing. his opponent can only put him on A7 or nothing pretty much. he 3-bet preflop then check-called twice. that is very weak. then he donks on the river. it's almost like he's inviting a bluff raise

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exactly, except that newhizzle won't bluff raise him because he is positive derb is calling with any pair (and I am assuming derb knows this)

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i have nothing to do with this hand

[bxpeter]

obviously, i just mean anyone who thinks that derb will call with any pair which seems to be the majority.

[Paluka]

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im pretty sure derb calls a river raise right? and that's why he's a donk and will be broke soon. if you all say he'll bet fold that river then im wrong and he's a genius. but in that one street lies the answer. that flop check could be hints of genius. talk about unreadable.


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How does the flop check make him unreadable? If he had pocket kings, he would have bet. He flopped nothing, so he checked. Is that what we are calling "unreadable" now? Sounds more like "readable".
And he absolutely calls the river raise.

[mike l.]

"it's almost like he's inviting a bluff raise"

donk bets oftentimes indicate a small pair, instead of a complete bluff. that Q on the flop makes the hand rather bluff free. even derb cant have KT that often here.

[mike l.]

"How does the flop check make him unreadable? If he had pocket kings, he would have bet. He flopped nothing, so he checked."

right except for the part where he 3 bet pf. if he would never check KK or TT, A5 or AK (all defendable as a varying your play weirdness) here than youre right his flop check is awful. but i was assuming he would sometimes check those hands, since youve all said he plays erratic.

"And he absolutely calls the river raise."

ok then he sucks. but he's so much in the head of some of you guys that calling a river raise there is getting defense on here lol. i was willing to give him some credit for the flop check being a strange change up, but the river bet-call is atrocious here.