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Old 12-16-2005, 11:01 PM
whiskeytown whiskeytown is offline
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Default Re: Conservative group wants to boycott Ford

Democracy needs freedom - a theocracy is generally the exact opposite -

basically, the religious right has set themselves up in such a way where any attempt to express oneself outside of their "morally right" definitions is oppression of their goal to establish a theocracy in America. Hence, wanting to allow companies to sell products to gay people is oppressing them and their goals.

I hope to continue oppressing them with my dying breath. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 12-17-2005, 10:27 AM
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A really simple example would be that my mom wasn't allowed to put a small christmas decoration on her desk because it was religous (not even sure if it was religous, was probably a little tree or santa since my mom doesn't go to church). However, any non-christian holiday decorations are allowed because they are afraid of being sued.

Moreover, any idea that is categorized as "religous" suddenly gets treated differently then any other idea. You can teach philosophy and ethics in school if you want, as long as none of the ideas are related to a popular religion. If they are, suddenly those ideas are treated second class.

I haven't been to church in over a decade, and I don't care much for religion. But it's obvious as hell to me that mainstream religion gets the shaft from government.
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:21 PM
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A boycott is strictly voluntary. Let anyone boycott what they want.

[/ QUOTE ] You are confused.

It is not argued that boycotts by persons or private organisations should not be allowed. The boycott itself is not being condemned here as political action. Those folks certainly have every right to boycott.

What is argued is that this specific anti-Ford boycott is indicative of its proponents' intolerant and closed mind.
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Old 12-17-2005, 04:54 PM
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What is argued is that this specific anti-Ford boycott is indicative of its proponents' intolerant and closed mind.

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That may be so, but I see no difference between them and those, inlcuding posters here, who hate the religious right and vilify them at every opportunity. If you want them to be tolerant and accept those who they disagree with, don't you have to do the same?
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Old 12-17-2005, 07:51 PM
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Now that is scary, and the religious groups are often the victims of such government oppression in this country.


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Wow, didn't know they were that oppressed. Poor little souls; hopefully God make up for them in Paradise.
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Old 12-17-2005, 08:01 PM
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Don't think people are "preaching" tolerance. I think they are opposing bigots who will go beyond "disagreeing" with them to the point of "silencing" them.

And I don't preach tolerance. Every dead fundamentalist Christian is one step closer to a decent America.
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Old 12-17-2005, 09:37 PM
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Let anyone boycott what they want. What we need to watch out for are the federal judges who use the force of the government to suppress groups

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The ACLU will be there to defend their right to boycott. Have you contributed towards their efforts recently. If not then try how to reduce your level of fear
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Old 12-16-2005, 02:25 PM
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Of course they can do whatever they want. I just think they are hypocritical, small-minded jerkoffs.

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Thats your absolute right to feel that way. I think the best way to put them in theirplace would be to launch a counter protest with 20X hte people, or just to watch the last 50 anti gay bigots fail miserably at anything close to a successful boycott.
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Old 12-17-2005, 10:44 PM
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So you and all your friends are going to go out and buy Fords?
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Old 12-16-2005, 07:18 PM
MtSmalls MtSmalls is offline
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The WHOLE story here is one that might be far more important for the long term in this country. It has been well covered HERE Ford has been advertising its Jaguar and Land Rover models in predominately gay publications for several years.

A few months ago, the AFA had meetings with Ford executives in Washington DC. Not coincidentally, both of the AFA reps in those meetings were former GWB Adminstration lackeys. The outcome of those meetings was that Ford was going to drop their advertising completely in any gay publications under threat of a boycott organized and backed by the AFA.

After roughly a week of heavy pressure, not just from the gay rights groups, but the CIVIL rights groups, Ford is not only going to continue advertising in the gay publications, but they will continue to buy adspace for ALL of the firm's makes, not just Jaguar and LR, and continue to support the gay community in sponsored events (See Kraft).

There are four or five stories of this similar ilk, From Microsoft to Kraft to Ford over the last year, where the Civil and Gay rights groups carry more weight with these firms and have rejected the bigotry and hate of these so-called 'values' groups.

Bigotry is NOT a family value
Hate is NOT a family value
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