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#13
09-03-2005, 07:30 PM
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Re: Corporate disobedience plan to counter the rake increase.
Does anyone else think this will be seriously detrimental to our bottom line? You are going to tell all the fish at once that we are here to make money and Party is giving us a little less than they used to.
Most of the fish, maybe all of the fish, are unaware of the rake increase. Pointing them to a website explaining these facts to them will be the beginning of thier education. They are going to realize how serious we are about making money. They may be frightened away when they find out how many "pros" there are at their tables. Am I overthinking/overreacting? 
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#16
09-03-2005, 07:45 PM
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Re: Corporate disobedience plan to counter the rake increase.
bad idea. you wont succeed in lowering partys rake and all you will be doing is bringing attention to yourselves. if you are running multiple skins 8tabling or have several accounts you may find that party seeks revenge by closing them. they may also decide that you using playerview or gametime+ is against their t&c and confiscate your funds. i really dont know if party would do this or not, but i think its more likely that this would happen then if they actually lowered the rake.
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#17
09-03-2005, 07:51 PM
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Re: Corporate disobedience plan to counter the rake increase.
They are not goona [censored] with a mass of twoplustwoers. They providea large amount of mgr for party. As for the idea that this is going to educate the fish, I don't buy it. They know professional poker players exist. We wouldn't talk about how much the rake increase was hurting our profits, we can talk about how it effects all players, including people with gambling problems. We don't need to present it as "rich pros want to get richer", but as "we are getting ripped off". Most people don't like getting ripped off.
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#18
09-03-2005, 08:04 PM
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Re: Corporate disobedience plan to counter the rake increase.
[ QUOTE ]
They are not goona [censored] with a mass of twoplustwoers. They provide large amount of mgr for party. As for the idea that this is going to educate the fish, I don't buy it. They know professional poker players exist. We wouldn't talk about how much the rake increase was hurting our profits, we can talk about how it effects all players, including people with gambling problems. We don't need to present it as "rich pros want to get richer", but as "we are getting ripped off". Most people don't like getting ripped off. [/ QUOTE ] My take on it is that Party is a place we CHOOSE to do business. They dont owe us anything other than a fair game and security when doing cash transactions. I could see if we all signed a petition and sent it to them, explaining that we like what they have to offer us and would like to be considered when they do things like this etc. As an affiliate, I/We could get this in the hand of the right people. People who would at least understand our concern. If they assure us that a large % of this increased revenue is going towards bonus money for dormant players and advertisements in US magazines, would we really have any reason to be this upset? Of course this is probably not the case, but they should know we have alomst as much interest in the future of Party as they do.
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#19
09-03-2005, 08:10 PM
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Re: Corporate disobedience plan to counter the rake increase.
I agree, they owe us nothing. They have the right to charge us whatever rake they choose. If the management didn't choose the level or rake to maximise long term profits, they would be doing a terible job. "Fairness" is not their concern. However, we can unite and hurt them. They aren't gonna listen to a letter saying 'dear party, please rake less. ty, sublime'. They only listen to $$$$$$
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#20
09-03-2005, 08:18 PM
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Re: Corporate disobedience plan to counter the rake increase.
[ QUOTE ]
I agree, they owe us nothing. They have the right to charge us whatever rake they choose. If the management didn't choose the level or rake to maximise long term profits, they would be doing a terible job. "Fairness" is not their concern. However, we can unite and hurt them. They aren't gonna listen to a letter saying 'dear party, please rake less. ty, sublime'. They only listen to $$$$$$ [/ QUOTE ] If your favorite sandwhich shop decided to up the price of their meat, would you organize a protest? No, of course not. You would either pay the extra money or take your business elsewhere. If you went in their shop and decided to take up a table and read a newspaper, they would throw your ass out. If you didn't comply, you would be arrested for trespassing. Of course, none of this could happen at Party but what they CAN do is stop turning such blind eye towards rakeback deals at their skins. Make it difficult for players to use HUDS etc..... I think a calm headed organization of high volume players getting in touch with people who actually understand what we are worth to the bottom line is a better approach to this 'problem'.
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