Is this correct (Folding KK pre-flop)?????

[kuro]

Instant call. If you're having trouble making that call you're playing in a tourney that's buy-in fee is too large for your bank roll.

[SossMan]

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Instant call. If you're having trouble making that call you're playing in a tourney that's buy-in fee is too large for your bank roll.

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amen.

[juris]

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I think you need to call. Assuming it is not more likely someone has AK, you almost have odds to make your set. I think there is a decent chance no one has AA. It is almost certain not all of these players have legitimate allin hands.

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All you need is one legitimate solid player as the third all in and you know you have to fold your hand. He's only calling 2 all ins that early with one hand, and it dominates yours.

Turns out that wasn't true here. I still lay down the kings.

[DonButtons]

When was this tournament?

Do they have them every week?

[Lloyd]

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I think you need to call. Assuming it is not more likely someone has AK, you almost have odds to make your set. I think there is a decent chance no one has AA. It is almost certain not all of these players have legitimate allin hands.

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All you need is one legitimate solid player as the third all in and you know you have to fold your hand. He's only calling 2 all ins that early with one hand, and it dominates yours.

Turns out that wasn't true here. I still lay down the kings.

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You're suggesting a MP player limps after two EP limpers holding AA? If he's bad enough to do that, he's bad enough to be going all-in with a pretty wide range of hands.

[drewjustdrew]

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I think you need to call. Assuming it is not more likely someone has AK, you almost have odds to make your set. I think there is a decent chance no one has AA. It is almost certain not all of these players have legitimate allin hands.

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All you need is one legitimate solid player as the third all in and you know you have to fold your hand. He's only calling 2 all ins that early with one hand, and it dominates yours.

Turns out that wasn't true here. I still lay down the kings.

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You're suggesting a MP player limps after two EP limpers holding AA? If he's bad enough to do that, he's bad enough to be going all-in with a pretty wide range of hands.

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Excellent point, only the UTG should be capable of having AA.

As far as other posts about TJ, I think he was pretty deep in money, 50-100 with 5000 to start. It doesn't matter if this was a wsop event or not. However, we don't know how quickly the blinds increase and I would assume quite rapidly. I gotta make this call.

[DonButtons]

Yes, with the blind structure that they use, they prob. get in only 10-15 hands at max per 30 minutes.

Plus, south fla has soooooo many fish its not even funny. I would call instantly here with KK.

I did one of these tournaments at another casino here, and I got 5th after a bad suck out, but I got a hold of a massive ammount of chips early, when I did the same play with ak from utg vs the sb and bb's JJ and QQ, and my king spiked.

Not basing my play on the results but folding KK is very tough to do, specially because UTG can limp with AK KK QQ JJ TT or any other pair, and maybe doesnt want to play a big pot and wants to take down your big raise and antes.

I would say your up aganist AA not that many times too make this play +EV.

[Ron H]

The Hard Rock in Hollywood has several tournaments a week. They have a $65 NL on Friday mornings. Fun to play. Not too expensive. Lots of bad players. Made it to 1 out of the money on my first B&M trip (14th out of 152). I had never thought about how bad my bubble play was until then.

Anyhow, with all the bad players at the Hard Rock, KK was probably a call. Also, a lot of the Seminole Hard Rock tournaments are rebuy. So, there might be some less than stellar hands out there. The guy next to me called 3 All-Ins in front of him with 72o. He sheepishly turned to me and says, "Pot Odds".