99 capped preflop, do you get aggressive somewhere? - Page 2

KDawgCometh · #1 09-13-2005, 01:47 PM

I don't like the thought of playing 99 for set value there is ever really worth it. IMO its too strong of a hand to not raise and do your best to get it HU against the limper.

I think a turn bet could have some value. Probably no one will fold, but if you can get a hand like AK, AJ, JJ, or 1010 to possibly fold, then we did something good

ErrantNight · #2 09-13-2005, 01:52 PM

i'd have raised preflop.

easy flop peel.

like how that turn played out.

not so sure about the river. i think you're beat a lot here, but pot is huge, etc. etc. i'm assuming you wouldn't overcall... still, what do you put UTG on? and as aggressive as the BB is... how many hands is that read on? because he's not too far out of line.

JTMoney42 · #3 09-13-2005, 01:59 PM

Although I don't agree with the preflop play, it has its merit i guess, I just love 9's too much to limp, esp. in that situation. but on the flop, I think you get a perfect chance to bet into the capper, which will probably allow you to cut most of the people out.I think you need to bet the turn as well, and probably fold to a raise on the turn.

The river, it looks like the UTG came alive, probably with his 8 or a middle pair. So the river seems like a fine check/call, you can't raise him here I don't think because the BB is still to act, although its tempting.

#4 09-13-2005, 02:23 PM

I would have raised preflop. I think that would have put you in a more commanding position during post flop play.

Bodhi · #5 09-13-2005, 02:44 PM

Booooo! Raise preflop. Bet the turn. etc... Remember, you want people to cold call your 99 raise with trash.

TripleH68 · #6 09-13-2005, 03:09 PM

[ QUOTE ]
PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Button is new to the table, but I want to think he is aggressive given his image(baby with pokerstars knit cap).
BB is aggressive 27/14/1.8 and I put him on a wide range.
UTG has a high WTSD% of 42, with VP$IP = 37 over a short sample.

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, Button raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button caps, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (20 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (12 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls...

[/ QUOTE ]

Button calls, BB folds.

UTG = 33.
Button = AK.
Hero wins with a pair of 9s.

Thanks for the discussion.

ErrantNight · #7 09-13-2005, 03:10 PM

bet the turn next time.

#8 09-13-2005, 03:12 PM

[ QUOTE ]
bet the turn next time.

[/ QUOTE ]

istewart · #9 09-13-2005, 03:22 PM

[ QUOTE ]
bet the turn next time.

[/ QUOTE ]

Elaborate a bit? This is easy to say after button checks through but we know nothing about him and he capped preflop and bet the flop. We're not ahead often.

ErrantNight · #10 09-13-2005, 03:27 PM

it's either bet/fold or check/fold. assuming villain caps preflop with AK, it's far more likely that he has that than a AKs or AKo. if he has JJ or TT, or they're out there, any combination of betting/calling at this point may force them out. but really, the point is to prevent AK from drawing for free. if you're raised, easy fold. if you're called, easy check on the river (and the only person that should reasonably have a Q after it's checked to you on the turn is, perhaps, UTG). it's a big pot, do everything you can to win it. here, that means not offering infinite odds on the turn to hands with outs against you. on the flop, with two cards to come and offering odds for everyone to call you with anything, there's no point.

i had originally been ok with the turn check, and i'm willing to hear argument that it's preferable, but the more i've analyzed this hand, the more clear it becomes that a turn bet is best.