AK. Ugly flop.

[bweiser8311962]

It made me sick to my stomach to read this original post.

1) RAISE PREFLOP to at least 5xBB. WTF are you doing? Hoping to trap someone? No. You trapped yourself.

2) BET THE FLOP. You have to find out where you're at.

3) RERAISE HIS RAISE on the turn. He took this pot away because you played weakly. By not betting the flop, he thinks his Ace/rag is good. It isn't.

Poker is about aggression, power and perception.

[amoeba]

guys is 46/3, typical calling station. you really think you got bluffed here?

if you think he is on ace rags, you should call his turn checkraise instead of reraising.

I hate your line.

[imported_anacardo]

It's true. That's a LAG-on-meth line you're advocating, Bud.
Consider his opponent. And, yeah, if your read is a crappy ace, do you want to lose the opportunity to suck another pot-sized bet out of him?

But you gotta bet this flop, dood.

[BigF]

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I would bet the flop purely for fold equity from KK or JJ, if he calls its likely he has you beat and so you go into check-fold mode.

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If you can see they are holding KK/JJ, your correct play would be check on the flop so that villain thinks he has the best hand and hands you some chips.

[fimbulwinter]

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Villian (UTG) is 46/3 after 30 hands and has $38. Hero is UTG+2 and covers w/ A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Party NL50 Full ring

Pre-flop

UTG raises to $2, 1 folds, Hero calls, 7 fold.

Flop ($4:50) T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn ($4:50) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

UTG checks, Hero bets $3, UTG makes it $7, Hero folds.

Is there another way to play this?

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If villain is raising 3% of his hands, what hands are you ahead of preflop when he raises under the gun?

what flops are you hoping for such that you can win a big pot against his hand range?

fim

[dtbog]

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If villain is raising 3% of his hands, what hands are you ahead of preflop when he raises under the gun?

what flops are you hoping for such that you can win a big pot against his hand range?

fim

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fim - I agree with this in general... this reminds me of psuasskicker's thread on Mid-High and another one recently, I think. I'm much more inclined to dump AK preflop if I think I can't play it profitably (ie if his hand range is AA KK QQ AK)

Unfortunately in this hand, Villain is 46/3 after 30 hands... how long do you wait before applying this kind of read from statistics? I usually like a little more.

[fimbulwinter]

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If villain is raising 3% of his hands, what hands are you ahead of preflop when he raises under the gun?

what flops are you hoping for such that you can win a big pot against his hand range?

fim

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fim - I agree with this in general... this reminds me of psuasskicker's thread on Mid-High and another one recently, I think. I'm much more inclined to dump AK preflop if I think I can't play it profitably (ie if his hand range is AA KK QQ AK)

Unfortunately in this hand, Villain is 46/3 after 30 hands... how long do you wait before applying this kind of read from statistics? I usually like a little more.

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40/3 says loose, passive. what hands do loose, passives raise with UTG?

I agree that the stats don't give you enough read to be sure, but taking this line long term is a loser against any reasonable UTG raiser, even those who will be raising 56s from time to time.

this is an easy fold preflop.

fim

[SamuraiPlatypus]

is 30 hands a large enough sample size though?

[fimbulwinter]

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is 30 hands a large enough sample size though?

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you're making a good point, however i don't think you're seeing mine. you are correct about that not being a large enough sample size, however...

when playing, you assume your opponents are not good. the default losing SSNL player is loose, passive and hates to raise unless he has a monster. with no statistics, i make this fold, in fact statistics/reads are the only thing that would make me call or raise here. you have to consider how the postflop action would go, and realize that this is a losing proposition against any sane hand range.

consider this (thinking about this will make you a better player): there are instances where you could even be favored against UTG's opening range of hands and still lose money long term making this call...

fim

[imported_anacardo]

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Villian (UTG) is 46/3 after 30 hands and has $38. Hero is UTG+2 and covers w/ A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Party NL50 Full ring

Pre-flop

UTG raises to $2, 1 folds, Hero calls, 7 fold.

Flop ($4:50) T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn ($4:50) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

UTG checks, Hero bets $3, UTG makes it $7, Hero folds.

Is there another way to play this?

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If villain is raising 3% of his hands, what hands are you ahead of preflop when he raises under the gun?

what flops are you hoping for such that you can win a big pot against his hand range?

fim

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You make an excellent point; I hadn't noticed Villain's raising range. Assuming a large sample size, you could do worse than to fold preflop. I'd have a hard time not seeing a flop w/ AK, in position, for a standard opening raise, though.

I guess you're hoping for a flop like -
QJTr [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
or maybe
A-rag-rag suited in your kicker.

As for betting the flop, I admit to theoretical weakness here. Is the "no infinite odds" principle applicable here as it is in limit, or are the implied odds of deceptive action (though I fail to see how that would apply for either of you in this case; that's one scary flop) so great that it's more profitable to check behind even on a board like this?