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#11
07-18-2005, 03:03 PM
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Flop action then the turn card...
This is an absolute must check-raise. You need to clean up your J and T outs, in addition to getting running flush draw hands out or higher straight hands like KJ out. Even if such weak players to call 2 cold we can define their hands further and we have plenty of outs to better them.
My roomate goes to call and I scream, "check-raise", he does. The EP players fold, the maniac three bets, we call. Turn: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Your action? 
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#14
07-18-2005, 03:18 PM
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Re: Flop action then the turn card...
You said he slows down on the big streets. That's a pretty scary card, even for a maniac. Will he auto-raise if we bet? I like bet/3-betting, but I think check-raising guarantees us 2BB on the turn. The maniac is surely betting this turn, but not as surely raising it.
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#16
07-18-2005, 03:54 PM
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The turn line and river card.
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You said he slows down on the big streets. That's a pretty scary card, even for a maniac. Will he auto-raise if we bet? I like bet/3-betting, but I think check-raising guarantees us 2BB on the turn. The maniac is surely betting this turn, but not as surely raising it. [/ QUOTE ] I thought this street was very interesting as well. He may not auto raise but is surely caling with any K or [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. He is still a manaic and they are definately betting any turn Heads-up and likely can't fold until the river. My roomate goes to bet, and I say, "no check, then raise" he does. The maniac three-bets... What do think the maniac has now that he has show some serious turn aggression for once? We cap, he calls. River: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] making the board (Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Your action?
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#18
07-18-2005, 04:01 PM
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Re: The turn line and river card.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] You said he slows down on the big streets. That's a pretty scary card, even for a maniac. Will he auto-raise if we bet? I like bet/3-betting, but I think check-raising guarantees us 2BB on the turn. The maniac is surely betting this turn, but not as surely raising it. [/ QUOTE ] I thought this street was very interesting as well. He may not auto raise but is surely caling with any K or [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. He is still a manaic and they are definately betting any turn Heads-up and likely can't fold until the river. My roomate goes to bet, and I say, "no check, then raise" he does. The maniac three-bets... What do think the maniac has now that he has show some serious turn aggression for once? We cap, he calls. River: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] making the board (Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Your action? [/ QUOTE ] Say, no SCREAM, [censored] and then bet/fold.
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#19
07-18-2005, 04:02 PM
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Re: The turn line and river card.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You said he slows down on the big streets. That's a pretty scary card, even for a maniac. Will he auto-raise if we bet? I like bet/3-betting, but I think check-raising guarantees us 2BB on the turn. The maniac is surely betting this turn, but not as surely raising it. [/ QUOTE ] I thought this street was very interesting as well. He may not auto raise but is surely caling with any K or [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. He is still a manaic and they are definately betting any turn Heads-up and likely can't fold until the river. My roomate goes to bet, and I say, "no check, then raise" he does. The maniac three-bets... What do think the maniac has now that he has show some serious turn aggression for once? We cap, he calls. River: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] making the board (Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Your action? [/ QUOTE ] Say, no SCREAM, [censored] and then bet/fold. [/ QUOTE ] I hate bet-folding against this sort of player. I think it's a fairly easy check-call and I expect to be good fairly often. Rob
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#20
07-18-2005, 04:02 PM
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Re: The turn line and river card.
Against a sane opponent I would lead out knowing the villian would have to fold a wide range of hands. Against this guy I think a check call is in order because you have a hand that will win its fair share against this guy who could still be betting a Kx no club hand, two pair no club hand, or a set on the river. Like I said above a bet/fold is probably the best option against most players, but folding to a raise from this guy would really suck so I say show this down as cheaply as possible and expect to win more than 1 in 18.
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