10/20 JTo river value bet

[DeathDonkey]

I'd like it alot more on the button and with passive blinds. It just isn't much of a hand and in this game some of the players in front will be limping in with dominating hands instead of dominated hands. What did Abdul say about poker players not surviving on straight draws alone? Make it sooted and I raise though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey

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I'd like it alot more on the button and with passive blinds. It just isn't much of a hand and in this game some of the players in front will be limping in with dominating hands instead of dominated hands. What did Abdul say about poker players not surviving on straight draws alone? Make it sooted and I raise though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey

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lol...me too.

This certainly would depend on the quality of the limpers. I've recently started folding hands like QTo and such to good limpers here..especially those not raising AJo PF and so forth.

Do you feel the same about QJo?

I really, really like being connected [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I find it hard to believe, though, that JTo is a losing hand here unless we have a decent chance of being raised.

[Entity]

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I think this is a preflop fold (and I'm pretty damn loose) but I really like the rest.

-DeathDonkey

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Who the [censored] switched your brain with jason_t's?

Rob

[CardSharpCook]

We don't play JTo here because it doesn't have high card value, there is no flush possibility and to make matters worse, we are allowing the blinds to see the flop for free. I hate it when the blinds see it for free because that means that 38o is possible. QJo is actually a raise for me. It does have high card value and it has the delightful position of looking exactly like AK. Any board of AKQJ is good for a PF raised QJ. It is an easy hand to play. too. You get raised on a flop that includes A or K, it is an easy toss.

So that's my beef with JTo. No high card value, we can't create FE, it is hard to play, blinds get to look for free. JTs is a limp in this situation though.

[goofball]

No one has done anything, you should keep betting.

[BigEndian]

nh

- Jim

[stigmata]

I play JTo in LP, although it does depend who is in front/behind, and on table condition. It's been profitable for me so far...

I play it the same.

[paperboyNC]

You aren't getting any better hands to fold the river, but you will get called by a lot of worse hands. It's unlikely that either opponent is planning to c/r the river -- they would have likely done that on the turn with the flush and the 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is close to a blank.

You'll lose occasionally to KJ and QJ, but should be good >60% of the time.

[B Dids]

I fundamentally disagree that JTo is hard to play.

If you know who you're playing, no hand is that hard to play, it just might be hard to make money with it.

I'm not sure I call preflop often, but I do some of the time.

[MaxPower]

Have you guys ever heard of position?