Openraising from the CO, followup on my stat post - Page 2

Derek in NYC · #11 08-09-2005, 11:21 AM

A8 - raise
A7 - raise
K9 - raise against tight BB (FBB >50%)
Q9 - fold
JT - raise
T9 - fold
K7s - raise against tight BB
Q8s - fold
J8s - fold
T7s - fold
97s - fold
87s - fold
33 - raise against tight BB

My ASB is low, around 35%, I think.

NLSoldier · #12 08-09-2005, 11:44 AM

With the exception of T7s, I raise every one of these just about every time.

Trix · #13 08-09-2005, 11:51 AM

If you got a large sample, then it would be sweet with some stats [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

MAxx · #14 08-09-2005, 12:37 PM

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Since people thought I was too tight in this position(~19vpip, 26 on button) when I last posted my stats, I have gone through the hands I had the chance of openraising with.

A8 I´ve raised 3 times and folded 8 times. autoraise 
A7 and down I´ve folded every time. I autoraise down thru A4o 
K9 I´ve had 10 times and folded all. autoraise 
Q9 I´ve folded 11/12 times. autoraise
JT I´ve played every time, but folded J9 every time. autoraise JT, raise J9 maybe 60% 
T9 I´ve folded every time. once in a blue moon 
K7s I´ve folded 6 times and K6s 5. autoraise, and some more autoraisin 
Q8s I´ve raised once and folded once. borderline autoraise
J8s I´ve played 3/4. starting to not like but raise occasionally 
T7s I played both times I had the chance. default fold, occasionally raise
97s I folded the 4 times I saw it, 86s twice. default fold, occasionally raise 
87s I played 2/3. 76s 1/3. default fold, occasionally raise 
33 I played 1/3. Folded 22 all 8 times I saw it. auto, auto raisin 

So, I´m wondering, any of these hands that are autoraises for you ? , any better hands autofolds ?, you play worse hands in this spot ?

If anyone have a large db then it would be great to see stats on the ones of that you play alot here.

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cartman · #15 08-09-2005, 01:33 PM

Total sample = 175K hands of 5/10 6-max filtered for 4 to 6 players at the table, not a blind, raise first in, exactly one off the button. Suited hands have an "s", all others are offsuit. Results are given in BB/hand and # of trials.

ATs = +1.14/59
A9s = +0.24/51
A8s = +0.27/55
A7s = +0.86/58
A6s = +1.00/40
A5s = -0.06/47
A4s = +0.02/64
A3s = +0.29/51
A2s = -0.31/60

AT = +0.64/152
A9 = +0.61/148
A8 = +0.21/162
A7 = +0.38/142
A6 = +0.48/154
A5 = +0.15/160
A4 = +0.20/175
A3 = -0.01/159
A2 = +0.01/135

KTs = +0.56/59
K9s = +0.31/58
K8s = +0.97/46
K7s = +0.47/46

KT = -0.11/156
K9 = -0.02/120
K8 = +0.09/158
K7 = -0.33/60

QTs = +0.44/54
Q9s = +0.33/35
Q8s = -0.67/50
Q7s = -0.45/23

QT = +0.26/162
Q9 = +0.23/135
Q8 = +0.17/107
Q7 = -0.12/47

JTs = +0.79/49
J9s = +0.39/49
J8s = +0.03/47
J7s = +0.37/31

JT = +0.08/154
J9 = +0.03/140
J8 = +0.81/117
J7 = +0.02/57

T9s = +0.38/45
T8s = +0.33/56
T7s = -0.61/23

T9 = +0.25/111
T8 = +0.14/108
T7 = +0.20/54

98s = +0.17/58
97s = -0.63/24

98 = +0.04/131
97 = -0.09/50

87s = +0.18/29

87 = +0.01/60

77 = +0.49/80
66 = +0.16/80
55 = +0.54/78
44 = -0.29/77

These are the hands that I open-raise with in the CO and I fold everything else. I use the EXACT same criteria on the button which makes for some weird VPIP/PFR/RFI numbers. Mine in the CO are 32.98/32.13/26.11. On the Button they are 27.75/26.23/17.19. Yes, they are all substantially lower on the Button. That must be simply because it is folded around to me more in the CO right? I use the exact same criteria whether to raise one limper whether I am in the CO or on the Button.

Do you guys think it is a problem that my VPIP/PFR/RFI are all higher in the CO than on the Button?

Which if any of the above hands would you recommend that I stop open-raising in the CO and/or on the Button?

Would you recommend having different criteria for raising one limper when I am in the CO vs when I am on the Button?


Thanks,
Cartman

Guy McSucker · #16 08-09-2005, 02:27 PM

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Do you guys think it is a problem that my VPIP/PFR/RFI are all higher in the CO than on the Button?

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It probably is, but since you have the same criteria for open-raising in both seats, it's hardly a surprise since you'll be the opener more often in CO than on button.

As for what hands to calm down with in the CO or LAG it up with on the button, well don't ask me!

Guy.

marand · #17 08-09-2005, 02:28 PM

I think you should steal with more hands on the Button than from CO. I would tighten up slightly from the CO. Perhaps remove the following (and worse):

A3 K7 Q8 J9 T9 Q7s J8s

I steal with approximately 30% from CO and 36% from Button.
(This is for the 10/20 game, but I think about the same hands are profitable. The 5/10 game has slightly smaller blinds because of the $2 SB and also the rake% is higher. But I guess the opponents generally play slightly worse so it might compensate.)

From your statistics it looks like almost all hands are profitable for you. I don't know how much you can trust the winrates though. For example J9 = 0.03 and J8 = 0.81 shows how much variance matters even with 175k hands sample.

If all those hands actually are profitable for you, I guess you can loosen up slightly on the button [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

When it comes to raising a limper, it gets more complicated. It depends so much on how the limper plays and the blinds/button play. I guess you can play slightly more hands from the button, but I think it depend most on how the limper and the BB plays.

krishanleong · #18 08-09-2005, 02:56 PM

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Since people thought I was too tight in this position(~19vpip, 26 on button) when I last posted my stats, I have gone through the hands I had the chance of openraising with.

A8 I´ve raised 3 times and folded 8 times. autoraise auto 
A7 and down I´ve folded every time. I autoraise down thru A4o I go to a5o 
K9 I´ve had 10 times and folded all. autoraise auto 
Q9 I´ve folded 11/12 times. autoraise 40% 
JT I´ve played every time, but folded J9 every time. autoraise JT, raise J9 maybe 60% JT auto, j9 40% 
T9 I´ve folded every time. once in a blue moon never 
K7s I´ve folded 6 times and K6s 5. autoraise, and some more autoraisin auto and 60% 
Q8s I´ve raised once and folded once. borderline autoraise 60% 
J8s I´ve played 3/4. starting to not like but raise occasionally rarely 
T7s I played both times I had the chance. default fold, occasionally raise rarely 
97s I folded the 4 times I saw it, 86s twice. default fold, occasionally raise never 
87s I played 2/3. 76s 1/3. default fold, occasionally raise 87 30% 76s never 
33 I played 1/3. Folded 22 all 8 times I saw it. auto, auto raisin rarely 

So, I´m wondering, any of these hands that are autoraises for you ? , any better hands autofolds ?, you play worse hands in this spot ?

If anyone have a large db then it would be great to see stats on the ones of that you play alot here.

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DMBFan23 · #19 08-09-2005, 03:07 PM

my openings from the CO (I remove the more marginal ones when I'm up against aggro blinds):

44+, A8o+, A4s+, K9o+, K6s+, QTo+, J8s+, JTo, 87s-T9s, T8s

from the Button (removing the marginal ones against aggro players)

22+, A2o+, A2s+, K8o+, K2s+, Q8o+, Q5s+, J9o+, J7s+, 65s-T9s, 57s-T8s, T9o, 98o

my ASB% is approximately 38

any glaring omissions/bad additions?

krishanleong · #20 08-09-2005, 03:38 PM

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Total sample = 175K hands of 5/10 6-max filtered for 4 to 6 players at the table, not a blind, raise first in, exactly one off the button. Suited hands have an "s", all others are offsuit. Results are given in BB/hand and # of trials.

ATs = +1.14/59 +.96/53 
A9s = +0.24/51 -.4/41 
A8s = +0.27/55 +.41/36 
A7s = +0.86/58 +.17/40 
A6s = +1.00/40 +.62/33 
A5s = -0.06/47 +.44/38 
A4s = +0.02/64 +.73/38 
A3s = +0.29/51 -.22/31 
A2s = -0.31/60 +.26/23 

AT = +0.64/152 .84/111 
A9 = +0.61/148 .11/125 
A8 = +0.21/162 -.13/106 
A7 = +0.38/142 -.11/103 
A6 = +0.48/154 -.08/94 
A5 = +0.15/160 -.10/49 
A4 = +0.20/175
A3 = -0.01/159
A2 = +0.01/135

KTs = +0.56/59 .35/44 
K9s = +0.31/58 .08/42 
K8s = +0.97/46 -.15/37 
K7s = +0.47/46

KT = -0.11/156 .11/122 
K9 = -0.02/120 .40/124 
K8 = +0.09/158 .46/64 
K7 = -0.33/60

QTs = +0.44/54
Q9s = +0.33/35
Q8s = -0.67/50
Q7s = -0.45/23

QT = +0.26/162 .33/135 
Q9 = +0.23/135
Q8 = +0.17/107
Q7 = -0.12/47

JTs = +0.79/49 .61/50 
J9s = +0.39/49 .90/40 
J8s = +0.03/47
J7s = +0.37/31

JT = +0.08/154 .29/113 
J9 = +0.03/140
J8 = +0.81/117
J7 = +0.02/57

T9s = +0.38/45
T8s = +0.33/56
T7s = -0.61/23

T9 = +0.25/111
T8 = +0.14/108
T7 = +0.20/54

98s = +0.17/58
97s = -0.63/24

98 = +0.04/131
97 = -0.09/50

87s = +0.18/29

87 = +0.01/60

77 = +0.49/80
66 = +0.16/80
55 = +0.54/78
44 = -0.29/77

These are the hands that I open-raise with in the CO and I fold everything else. I use the EXACT same criteria on the button which makes for some weird VPIP/PFR/RFI numbers. Mine in the CO are 32.98/32.13/26.11. On the Button they are 27.75/26.23/17.19. Yes, they are all substantially lower on the Button. That must be simply because it is folded around to me more in the CO right? I use the exact same criteria whether to raise one limper whether I am in the CO or on the Button.

Do you guys think it is a problem that my VPIP/PFR/RFI are all higher in the CO than on the Button?

Which if any of the above hands would you recommend that I stop open-raising in the CO and/or on the Button?

Would you recommend having different criteria for raising one limper when I am in the CO vs when I am on the Button?


Thanks,
Cartman

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