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Old 09-17-2005, 06:13 PM
mmcd mmcd is offline
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You suggest though that you'll get called by an ace 30% of the time, meaning you only need to successfully check-raise JJ et al 15% of the time. I find two flaws in this logic. First, I think ace-high calls much more often than 30% of the time.

I didn't mean he calls 30% of the time with A-high, I meant he has A-high and calls with it <30% of the time.

And after a flop checkraise and a 3-bet, even though the turn went check/check, I think the bb betting anything that can't beat A-high is clearly -ev, so provided the bb is competant, calling with A-high is -ev as well.

If the flop action were bet/raise/call, then the turn went check/check, I think A-high is calling a lot, but the way it went here, I think calling a bet with A-high would be throwing away money absent any particular read that points toward the contrary.
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Old 09-17-2005, 09:23 PM
casinogosain casinogosain is offline
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I would bet all rivers here. I would probably bet-fold to a rivered ace. Unless it was a heart, I would bet-3bet any heart.

-Ash
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Old 09-17-2005, 09:36 PM
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I would bet-3bet any heart.

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Old 09-17-2005, 10:11 PM
Masquerade Masquerade is offline
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I bet all rivers. Checking twice is too clear a signal that you intend to call. He's unlikely to make a mistake. Bet the river and hope to be called by AK, JJ, TT...

-Eric

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Generally agree but what about betting all rivers except a heart?
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Old 09-17-2005, 10:11 PM
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Default Re: Value bet or induce a bluff

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I would bet-3bet any heart.

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Um, yeah. I'm with flawless on this one. What are you talking about? Are you trying to bluff him off aces, or did you misread the board?

Good luck.
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Old 09-18-2005, 06:52 AM
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I would have lead the turn.

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ditto
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Old 09-18-2005, 09:51 AM
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Ranges here are wide, not just flush draws, pocket pairs less thn queens would do this, as would AK and sometimes, correctly, A,>Q. I would only induce BLUFFS on the aces, i may fold, but i would def. induce value bets for c/r's on rags against some opponents.

I would have lead the turn.

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why lead the turn instead of capping the flop and leading the turn?
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Old 09-18-2005, 10:30 AM
1800GAMBLER 1800GAMBLER is offline
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Ranges here are wide, not just flush draws, pocket pairs less thn queens would do this, as would AK and sometimes, correctly, A,>Q. I would only induce BLUFFS on the aces, i may fold, but i would def. induce value bets for c/r's on rags against some opponents.

I would have lead the turn.

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why lead the turn instead of capping the flop and leading the turn?

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It's also an option, but i think the equity on that last bet is very very close so i'd rather see the turn card, let my equity change, then decide

gem says hi.
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Old 09-18-2005, 03:20 PM
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im betting any non heart besides the A and the K.
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