some hands from my 500 BBs HU match.... - Page 2

yvesaint · #11 11-21-2005, 06:12 AM

oh and these are all def in chronological order

yvesaint · #12 11-21-2005, 07:06 AM

heres some from earlier in the match, before we decided to play deeper

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (2 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button ($589)
Hero ($875)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $4.
Hero raises to $16, Button (poster) calls $12.

Flop: ($32) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Button calls $30.

Turn: ($62) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $74, Hero raises to $236, Button calls $162.

River: ($534) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $593 (All-In), Button calls $307 (All-In).

Final Pot: $1434

Results in white below: 
Button has 8c 9c (two pair, nines and threes).
Hero has 7s 3s (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins $1434. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (2 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button ($417)
Hero ($1619)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $4.
Hero raises to $16, Button (poster) calls $12.

Flop: ($32) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $30, Button calls $30.

Turn: ($92) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $90, Button calls $90.

River: ($272) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $281 (All-In), Hero calls $281.

Final Pot: $834

Results in white below: 
Button has 5c 4c (one pair, fives).
Hero has Kh Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $834. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (2 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button ($396.60)
Hero ($2179.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $4.
Hero raises to $16, Button (poster) calls $12.

Flop: ($32) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $30, Button calls $30.

Turn: ($92) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $65, Hero calls $65.

River: ($222) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $285.6 (All-In), Hero calls $285.60.

Final Pot: $793.20

Results in white below: 
Button has Jh Kc (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Qs Qd (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: Button wins $793.20. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (2 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button ($1051.20)
Hero ($1922)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $4.
Hero raises to $16, Button (poster) calls $12.

Flop: ($32) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $30, Button raises to $99, Hero calls $69.

Turn: ($230) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $230

Results in white below: 
Button doesn't show.
Hero doesn't show.
Outcome: Button wins $115. Hero wins $115. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (2 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB ($1165.20)
Hero ($1807)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $4.
BB raises to $16, Hero (poster) calls $12.

Flop: ($32) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $34, Hero calls $34.

Turn: ($100) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $88, Hero raises to $240, BB calls $152.

River: ($580) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

BB bets $300, Hero folds

Final Pot: $580

Results in white below: 
BB doesn't show.
Outcome: BB wins $580. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (2 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button ($1454.20)
Hero ($1517)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $4.
Hero raises to $16, Button (poster) calls $12.

Flop: ($32) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $30, Button calls $30.

Turn: ($92) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $90, Button calls $90.

River: ($272) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Hero bets $250, BB raises to $750, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $some number

Results in white below: 
Button shows Kd 2d
Outcome: BB wins pot. 

i think some of these may have really influenced my call with KK ...but that hand still haunts me, i look back and cant really think how im good at all when he bets 1k on the river (and leaves 300 behind !!)

xorbie · #13 11-21-2005, 07:16 AM

Again those last two look a bit like spewing. On an all [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] board I don't think you'll ever find a villain calling two streets with a hand that's going to fold on another [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].. if you think about it he either has A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] with a pair or other draw or he raises flop/turn. Also on a paired board I don't like the call and raise turn because again, this is a pretty ugly board for him to be bluffing twice on, because you never fold a PP.

turnipmonster · #14 11-21-2005, 11:53 AM

here are my thoughts, please chime in if I am wrong or they disagree:

hand 1) I value bet this river 100% of the time HU when checked to.

hand 2) I bet this flop for value when checked to.

hand 3) this hand is ugly. I don't get not betting the flop after the preflop action.

hand 4) ugly again, I think the turn and river are misplayed.

hand 5) what non-flush draw hands do you also play this way? in general your draws are not worth that much HU OOP unless your opponent is a real donkey.

hand 6) reraise pf is weird. is he calling this with A9/AT/JQ/KJ?

hand 7) nh

hand 8) ugh, I would feel sick on the river. what do you put him on?

yvesaint · #15 11-21-2005, 12:00 PM

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hand 5) what non-flush draw hands do you also play this way? in general your draws are not worth that much HU OOP unless your opponent is a real donkey.

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this is the hand i was really wondering about .... villain showed Qh9h for pair + second nut draw, not realizing that i also paired up on the river. just curious if anyone considers calling here. i definitely would have stacked him if a heart came.

turnipmonster · #16 11-21-2005, 12:20 PM

well I disagree with the turn call. your implied odds are usually not going to be that great (i.e. your opponent doesn't usually have hearts also), and you're getting a little better than 2:1 (405:175) on the call.

BobboFitos · #17 11-21-2005, 03:05 PM

Hey Yves, yeah, the blinds are backwards (as chuddo said)

it makes a HUGE difference as the entire game is about blind v blind play, and if with your SB you dont have position, you have ALOT LESS incentive to play. IMO (not that i've broken this down completely...) it changes, or should, your entire preflop game. With position I'm comfortable almost blind raising my sb (or atleast completing anything) as getting the odds to call or w/ folding equity thats where I'm going to make all my money. On pstars, I'll give that up, and just hope my opponent doesnt do the same, as if he constantly attacks my big blind, thats cool, as I'll be able to play alot of raised pots in position. If thats the case, I will win in the end; my opponent gets small pots in position and I get big ones. Unless he's much better then me [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

hand 1 bet the turn harder; on the river you're 1000 behind+, my first instinct is that it's an auto value bet, but unless you've seen him play trashy jacks to a reraise or will put you precisely on spades and not pair+ or straight draw (or complete bluff) in this big-ish pot a mid pair or underpair wont pay off, so checking is good.

hand 2 i'll consider betting the flop, (not results oriented [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) He played it well as once you make 2 pair and then get c/r, I'd be like, wtf, looks like QT or QJ or bluff, but so few just raise pf then go into check mode then decide to bluff. on the river it's a fold, you dont beat those semibluffing hands either and he's not valuebetting AK that he played weird. is he pure bluffing 30%ish of the time? I doubt it, that's a sophistocated bluff, esp. early in the session. but you do have two pair!!!

hand 3 you should protect the best hand on the flop and bet.on the turn he pulls this move again; maybe you induced it, maybe lone club, maybe weaker queen, i'd be confused. given you have decent hand and better hands dont fold to a reraise, and confusing lines i like calling down, i like the call there and calling a non club river.I dont get why you put in the last 83, if he's bluffing he saved you a little,maybe you're making him pay to see your hand. That's still 21 bbs though, just call!

hand 4 you have showdown value, i'd check. your check call turn, lead river is normally a weak hand line, block bet type setting your own price for showdown. unless draws hit. unless he puts you on 67 that called with a horrible turn price the 5 makes no sense; is he supposed to believe A5?

hand 5 fold the turn. it's a pretty draw, but it's a 9 out draw, this call will lose alot of money in the long run. *ESPECIALLY because you paired kings on the river, this means you WERE only hunting for the flush, it's different if you can talk yourself into maybe your pair outs are live.

hand 6 may be worth a river bet. why the pf 3bet? had he been reraising frequently? this is a play that once again game structure entirely forces; you have a hand that is overwhelmingly best hu, but oop to an aggro foe you'd prefer snapping him back there. but he calls, so you're probably thinking, wow, im fvcked! i created 50bb pot pf with ajo! woohoo!i like hte play if he literally is knockin you back everytime, but most of the time AJo is a dog to the hands that will play on, and they'll have position, and oyu'rep utting yourself in a spot where you'll have to cbet a huge amount...

hand 7 is a beauty. this guy called a reraise with Q5o. wow, you two must've been going at it.

hand 8 just call river. his stop&go was good with 63. good for him. but maybe Qx calls the end given odds, I guess. once again though thats like 85bbs!! not a paltry sum.

BobboFitos · #18 11-21-2005, 03:07 PM

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hand 5) what non-flush draw hands do you also play this way? in general your draws are not worth that much HU OOP unless your opponent is a real donkey.

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this is the hand i was really wondering about .... villain showed Qh9h for pair + second nut draw, not realizing that i also paired up on the river. just curious if anyone considers calling here. i definitely would have stacked him if a heart came.

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Im a calling station, but I'm also mad aggressive, so my calling standards naturally adjust. IF i called the turn, which I dont think I would, I would DEFINATELY call the river. SHIP IT

creedofhubris · #19 11-21-2005, 07:25 PM

The only plays I strongly disagree with:

1) making it 200 preflop with AJo. This is not a big-pot hand.
2) calling a ~pot-sized bet out of position on the turn with just a nut flush draw, no apparent pair outs
3) the river call with the KK hand. That one's opponent-dependent; there are some guys you can call therewith a KK overpair.

The first two are pretty much opponent-independent; if you avoid ever making these plays it can't be too bad.

yvesaint · #20 11-21-2005, 08:10 PM

yea we had definitely been going at it

100% pots were raised, maybe 50% were re-raised .....he was very aggro

i really appreciate all the comments guys, this is great

ive begun trying out the Stars HU SnGs now too (although thats a little different with escalating blinds of course) to try to hone my game