25NL KJs, I gots 3 Jacks and we've got big stacks...

[Rockatansky]

Villain's AF is 0.8 - so I doubt that he was raising a paired flop with nothing but a flush draw. He sure looks like he's got the case Jack in his hand, and Hero is ahead of the vast majority of jack hands that Villain could hold. I think I c/c turn, block / value bet river.

[amoeba]

bet the pot on the flop. checkraise makes it really obvious what you have. if raised, 3 bet all in. theres 1 hand likely better than you and its unlikely they limped with it although always possible.

as played, check call on the turn. since its not possible, fold the turn against bet and raise.

[amoeba]

9 outs with 1 card to come sucks.

turn is easy fold.

push is really bad.

[Rockatansky]

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9 outs with 1 card to come sucks.

turn is easy fold.

push is really bad.

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So you think that Villain was raising with a flush draw on the flop?

[amoeba]

against .25 cent bet yes its possible. why would he wait until the turn to raise his jack instead of reraising on the flop?

[Rockatansky]

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against .25 cent bet yes its possible. why would he wait until the turn to raise his jack instead of reraising on the flop?

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I think I agree with both of us if that makes sense. Villain shows K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]-J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]-J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], or J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]-10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] most of the time here. I think he didn't re-raise the flop because it was clear that Hero also had a J, and Villain had a pretty good flush draw.

So I take back what I said earlier - I think your boat outs (with the exception of the Kings) are only good for a chop, so I'd fold to the turn raise.

[amoeba]

with such deep stacks, I much prefer a turn check call.

[afreeman]

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Villain shows K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]-J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]-J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], or J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]-10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] most of the time here.

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Jack of clubs is already on the board.

[Rockatansky]

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Villain shows K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]-J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]-J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], or J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]-10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] most of the time here.

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Jack of clubs is already on the board.

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Wow - I no read so goot. I'm going to waffle again and go back to my original line - c/c turn, block / value bet river. Maybe Villain is raising a combo flush / gutshot draw on the flop, but I think he usually is holding a J in his hand.

[PokerCat69]

Playing KJs from MP in an unraised pot is fine. Couple tight-ass players are faulting this, but jeez its well within the top 4% hands.

Actually I'd be more inclined to raise rather then limp.