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#11
08-13-2005, 01:16 PM
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Re: Random Thought
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[ QUOTE ] hi clark, understand, you are talking to a bunch of online brats. this is bad advice to them and they know it. in live vegas games it is likely correct. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree that there is enough of a difference to make it incorrect online. But, I could be mistaken. [/ QUOTE ] I believe there is a big enough difference. For example, online vs a lot of the players I am considering calling with K high, I expect them to call my river raise with A high. I do not think that is happening too often live. 
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#14
08-13-2005, 02:51 PM
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Re: Random Thought
are you referring to king high on an unpaired board, or does KQ on an AAA32 board count too?
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#15
08-13-2005, 03:52 PM
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Re: Random Thought
What about situations where the pot is extremely small. Like it was folded to the SB preflop, and the flop and turn both went check-check.
Of if your opponent is really smart, and knows that because of how the hand played out, it is very unlikely that you have any kind of hand at all. You recognize this and therefore think that you will, at least occaisionally, be bluff 3-bet. Therefore you either need to call a 3-bet or give up the pot some percentage of the time he is bluffing. I think you are right that it is almost always a good idea, but these are just two quick examples I pulled that could make me want to just call.
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#16
08-13-2005, 05:08 PM
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Re: Random Thought
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think that if I believe calling the river headsup with King high is correct, I am better off if I instead bluff raise every time that situation happens. [/ QUOTE ] For calling with K high to be correct you're either doing it for value (you believe it's the best hand often enough to call based on pot odds, but not enough as to raise) or just to force a showdown for some reason. The latter case seems unlikely, I'd guess. In the first case, a raise makes sense if you feel that the added fold equity overcomes the chance you lose the extra BB. Gut feel indicates that in a large pot (pretty much the only times you'd call with K high, no?), the added few percent of time you get them to fold their A-high could make it worthwhile. [/ QUOTE ] Pretty much. Though it's not just ace high. Sometimes they may have like 44 on a T9875 board and think they are bluffing. [/ QUOTE ] I think its also important to note that if think i'm winning a pot with K-high, i'd rather not have to show it. I don't wany the opponent to know that I had him pegged for nothing and made a great call down w/ King High. I want him to think he just picked a bad spot and I had a monster. This isn't something i've done more than a few times, but i think this sort of thinking, and this sort of "move" is a part of my next step in getting better at this game. Good thoughts Clark, lf
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#17
08-13-2005, 05:10 PM
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Re: Random Thought
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What about situations where the pot is extremely small. Like it was folded to the SB preflop, and the flop and turn both went check-check. Of if your opponent is really smart, and knows that because of how the hand played out, it is very unlikely that you have any kind of hand at all. You recognize this and therefore think that you will, at least occaisionally, be bluff 3-bet. Therefore you either need to call a 3-bet or give up the pot some percentage of the time he is bluffing. I think you are right that it is almost always a good idea, but these are just two quick examples I pulled that could make me want to just call. [/ QUOTE ] Not very many players are capable of a 3 bet bluff in a pot that small, at least not that i've seen in WA and LV. lf
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#18
08-13-2005, 05:27 PM
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Re: Random Thought
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I don't wany the opponent to know that I had him pegged for nothing and made a great call down w/ King High. [/ QUOTE ] I feel quite the opposite about this, I would think this would be a good thing, no? Nigel
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#19
08-13-2005, 05:57 PM
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Re: Random Thought
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[ QUOTE ] I don't wany the opponent to know that I had him pegged for nothing and made a great call down w/ King High. [/ QUOTE ] I feel quite the opposite about this, I would think this would be a good thing, no? Nigel [/ QUOTE ] I disagree. I want him to keep making the same mistake. Letting him know that I know that he's bluffing, will only push him more in the direction of playing correctly. This is bad. lf
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#20
08-13-2005, 06:39 PM
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Re: Random Thought
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What about situations where the pot is extremely small. Like it was folded to the SB preflop, and the flop and turn both went check-check. Of if your opponent is really smart, and knows that because of how the hand played out, it is very unlikely that you have any kind of hand at all. You recognize this and therefore think that you will, at least occaisionally, be bluff 3-bet. Therefore you either need to call a 3-bet or give up the pot some percentage of the time he is bluffing. I think you are right that it is almost always a good idea, but these are just two quick examples I pulled that could make me want to just call. [/ QUOTE ] Since I started playing live poker I can think if precisely one time (that I saw) someone bluff 3bet the river.
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