Flopped 2pr to broadway flop - what should I do

[gumpzilla]

What early limper? Your description of the flop action made it sound like the only person you were up against on the turn was the SB, who had raised PF. Can you post a hand history of this hand? I'm very confused about the action now. EDIT: Okay, I went back and read it and see that I saw the "all fold to SB" and not the limper calls.

[tigerite]

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What early limper? Your description of the flop action made it sound like the only person you were up against on the turn was the SB, who had raised PF. Can you post a hand history of this hand? I'm very confused about the action now.

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"SB bets 210 - at this point I thought AK probe bet, therefore I raise to 510 hoping to isolate, 1st limper calls (has played every hand, winning 2 without showing by overbetting the pot - e.g. 400 into a pot of 120 on a raggedy flop), all fold to SB who also calls."

(He put BB in original post - see the "1st limper calls" bit? Who has also "played every hand" so is more likely to have "two suited cards", because he is terrible).

[gumpzilla]

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(He put BB in original post - see the "1st limper calls" bit? Who has also "played every hand" so is more likely to have "two suited cards", because he is terrible).

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He's also more likely to have J7 or A4 than most players. While he frequently will have the draw, he can also be hanging around with garbage.

[tigerite]

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Thanks for all the answers - this is what I did do on the turn

SB checks - I bet half my stack (400 chips) assuming the limper will fold and trying to induce the all in from the SB (assuming my AK read is correct) however, the early limper reraises AI - the SB folds - i thought for the full 15 secs and called, putting him on Ace small or maybe 2pr

he had 3 6 spades [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] so he hits his flush [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

should have guessed really.....

Thanks - next time will throw it away, or (if I forget to!!) will raise the SB flop bet more (prolly 3X his bet rather than 2X)

Cheers

Damian

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Well, there's a shock. Now if you'd checked that wouldn't have happened.

[AliasMrJones]

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SB checks - I bet half my stack (400 chips) assuming the limper will fold and trying to induce the all in from the SB (assuming my AK read is correct)

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I really hate this bet. Why do you assume the limper will fold for 400 more? By my calculation, there is 2,250 in the pot and your bet of 400 can be called by all manner of draws. Your thinking here looks like FPS. Don't try to be so tricky. If you're going to bet, just push.

You are going to be shown the flush here a significant percentage of the time, but I think you're ahead here more often.

[Damian UK]

My preflop play was AWFUL - i should either fold, or reraise the SB 3or4X his raise to make it about 400/500 or so in total. My thinking is this for the reraise:

If the SB really likes his hand he will reraise all in - I now have a fairly good idea he has a PP AA - 99 or A high kicker - which means I don't need to be gambling with my AQo.

BY reraising to 400/500 the limpers will probably fold unless they really like their hands, or are slowplaying a monster (in which case expect an all in) - because as I call the 90 raise the other limpers behave like sheep and believe they are getting better and better value for their hand so they all call too, minimising my chance of winning.

So why reraise? - well because at $10, people will raise with any Ax (esp suited) most Kx suited, any 2 face cards, and any pp (even down to 55/44) and poor cards like Q8 suited, 10 9 suited etc. So the odds are that the SB has one of those hands rather than AA or AK, in which case I am ahead, and he will properly throw his marginal hand.

So my reraise sorts my hand out straight away, rather than giving all the limpers a 'cheapish' flop to beat me with.

Now I know that AQo is not a hand u want to raise with, but at $10 it is - people raise all the time with marginals (examples above) and will often be all in KJ suited, A8 suited etc - for those who play higher levels, trust me they do - just sign up for a $10 and reraise all in and see what u get called with!

Anyway I will take on board the AQ fold as the best play at level 1 in a SNG- I am determined to get better at this game and as I move up I will pick my spots better - thanks for all the replies

Damian

[dinero2433]

For starters, fold AQo preflop to the big raise.

[fnord_too]

Go ahead and push since there is no way you are not committed to this pot (what, close to 2K in there and you have less than 400 behind?) and you really do not want to give a free card here.

Edit - one day I will learn to read and realize you have 800 left on the turn, not 400. Still, I think pushing is right since you need a very strong read to get away from top two here with the pot as big as it is.